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Honest question, besides "Trump is a racist" are there any concrete reasons legal immigrants would be affected?

croon 10y ago
Well, first off, legality in immigration is a cloudy term, meaning it's often tried in immigration courts, of which there are 58 in the entire country [1]. Also notable is that you are not appointed a lawyer in these courts [2]. There are only 250 judges in the country, handling more than 3 times the cases regular judges do [3]. Here's one example of an American being deported: [4]. This is the case right now. Ramping up deportation as Trump has suggested would obviously not yield better results. The immigration courts right now have a backlog of more than half a million cases [5]. I've not even touched stop-and-frisk, religious profiling, etc. Now, and this part is speculation, this part of history comes to mind: [6]. If it's TLDR, then search for "repatriation". [1]: https://www.justice.gov/eoir/office-of-the-chief-immigration-judge https://www.justice.gov/eoir/office-of-the-chief-immigration... [2]: http://naij-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-01-14-Reuters-Why-are-these-children-representing-themselves-in-court.pdf http://naij-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-01-14-Re... [3]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-a-crowded-immigration-court-seven-minutes-to-decide-a-familys-future/2014/02/02/518c3e3e-8798-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-a-crowded-immigra... [4]: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/04/29/the-deportation-machine http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/04/29/the-deportation... [5]: http://trac.syr.edu/whatsnew/email.160915.html http://trac.syr.edu/whatsnew/email.160915.html [6]: http://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439114563/americas-forgotten-history-of-mexican-american-repatriation http://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439114563/americas-forgotten-h... Edit: Bonus: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trumps-proposal-for-legal-immigration/499061/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trumps-p...
- code_sardaukar 10y ago
  I wonder why it is that your legalese is only applied to people who say that illegal immigration is a bad thing. Lots of people openly say that we should tolerate illegal immigration either for economic or humanitarian reasons, and I've never seen such an argument applied to them.
bcg1 10y ago
var iceberg = { tip : "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" } https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...
- eveningcoffee 10y ago
  Edit: It could be that I overreacted. I would recommend to read the full quote after the link and not conclude based on small out of context quote. If you want a historical analogy that helps you to better connect with the situation under question then I would recommend to think about immigration of Germans into South America after WWII. This is what at least comes into my mind. I do not know if this analogy would be fair to either parties. Also it does not follow that I would recommend you to support one of the candidates based on this. If you happen to be an American.
  - bcg1 10y ago
    I linked to the entire press release.

croon 10y ago

Well, first off, legality in immigration is a cloudy term, meaning it's often tried in immigration courts, of which there are 58 in the entire country [1]. Also notable is that you are not appointed a lawyer in these courts [2]. There are only 250 judges in the country, handling more than 3 times the cases regular judges do [3]. Here's one example of an American being deported: [4]. This is the case right now. Ramping up deportation as Trump has suggested would obviously not yield better results. The immigration courts right now have a backlog of more than half a million cases [5]. I've not even touched stop-and-frisk, religious profiling, etc. Now, and this part is speculation, this part of history comes to mind: [6]. If it's TLDR, then search for "repatriation". [1]: https://www.justice.gov/eoir/office-of-the-chief-immigration-judge https://www.justice.gov/eoir/office-of-the-chief-immigration... [2]: http://naij-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-01-14-Reuters-Why-are-these-children-representing-themselves-in-court.pdf http://naij-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2016-01-14-Re... [3]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-a-crowded-immigration-court-seven-minutes-to-decide-a-familys-future/2014/02/02/518c3e3e-8798-11e3-a5bd-844629433ba3_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-a-crowded-immigra... [4]: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/04/29/the-deportation-machine http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/04/29/the-deportation... [5]: http://trac.syr.edu/whatsnew/email.160915.html http://trac.syr.edu/whatsnew/email.160915.html [6]: http://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439114563/americas-forgotten-history-of-mexican-american-repatriation http://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439114563/americas-forgotten-h... Edit: Bonus: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trumps-proposal-for-legal-immigration/499061/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trumps-p...

code_sardaukar 10y ago
I wonder why it is that your legalese is only applied to people who say that illegal immigration is a bad thing. Lots of people openly say that we should tolerate illegal immigration either for economic or humanitarian reasons, and I've never seen such an argument applied to them.

bcg1 10y ago

var iceberg = { tip : "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" } https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...

eveningcoffee 10y ago
Edit: It could be that I overreacted. I would recommend to read the full quote after the link and not conclude based on small out of context quote. If you want a historical analogy that helps you to better connect with the situation under question then I would recommend to think about immigration of Germans into South America after WWII. This is what at least comes into my mind. I do not know if this analogy would be fair to either parties. Also it does not follow that I would recommend you to support one of the candidates based on this. If you happen to be an American.
- bcg1 10y ago
  I linked to the entire press release.