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There is at least one of these comments on every single story about the Note. We get it already, removable battery yada yada yada.

stronglikedan 10y ago
It's a valid complaint when batteries lose nearly half of their capacity or more within the first year, and people tend to keep their phones longer than that. Just not buying the phones doesn't necessarily get the word out as to why, but posts like this do. It may seem trivial, as posts on forums generally are, but in greater numbers they become less trivial.
- Altay- 10y ago
  Who keeps their phone for over a year? No one rational, that's for sure. If you think its wasteful to change your phone annually, you better never go to the movies, buy coffee outside, etc. The hours-per-dollar return on a phone is better than anything else you can spend money on save for a PC, mattress, and a few other objects.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > Who keeps their phone for over a year? No one rational, that's for sure. Most people do, there is nothing irrational about it. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean you should buy more of it.
  - dan1234 10y ago
    Rocking a 2 year old iPhone 6 here, which is still working fine. No desire to replace it until at least the next release cycle.
  - simonh 10y ago
    My daughter just got a replacement for my old iPhone 3GS. She was still using it until week before last, with the original battery. It can even still connect to the app store.
  - pavelludiq 10y ago
    I kept my last non-smart phone for at least 7 years. If it ain't broke...
  - pixl97 10y ago
    What kind of silly wasteful thinking has infected you? What if instead of getting caught in a consumerism loop of enriching Samsung and Apple (and Starbucks in your listed cases) I save my money, invest it, and attempt to be an environmentally friendly person in general. You are an addict. Waste is your addiction.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  It is a valid complaint. However, I mostly read it on tech blogs so it is pretty much preaching to the choir. _We_ all know the pros and cons of a replaceable battery already. _We_ don't need to be told all the time. Edit: Please note that if your battery is losing half or more of its capacity w/in one year, it is defective. Have it replaced. (Off the top of my head, I think Apple's guide is 80% remaining capacity within a warranted period. Surely other OEMs are similar).
anexprogrammer 10y ago
It's a valid complaint when non-removable batteries are only there to increase frequency of device replacement. It's valid when batteries don't last anywhere near a day once you've installed some things. In prehistoric times, when batteries lasted ages, many device docks had a slot to charge your spare battery as well. Progress?
- kec 10y ago
  Prehistoric mobile phones had effectively 0 energy drain other than the PA in the cell radio. Modern devices have many more sources of significant power drain including multiple PAs, high resolution screens, high quality cameras, and compute which is within a couple orders of magnitude of desktop machines. The death of the user serviceable battery isn't planned obsolescence, it's a tradeoff to shove the most energy storage possible into a given volume.
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    I strongly question how much energy storage is being lost by having the battery sit on some contacts behind a removable backplate rather than be soldered in place in the same spot anyways.
    - visarga 10y ago
      I'm wondering, if they allowed an extra millimeter of thickness to the phone, if it would still be having these issues. Instead, it would have been a Note 7 with 4 extra hours of functioning time, not an exploding phone.
  - anexprogrammer 10y ago
    Market doesn't ever seem to bear that out. S3 mAh matched Nexus 4 and similar, iPhone 4&5 were a lot less. Pixel XL is only thing I can think of with more mAh than an LG V20. There may be others.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  The point is not that the complaint is invalid. The point is that it is not an interesting enough contribution to be repeated endlessly.

stronglikedan 10y ago

It's a valid complaint when batteries lose nearly half of their capacity or more within the first year, and people tend to keep their phones longer than that. Just not buying the phones doesn't necessarily get the word out as to why, but posts like this do. It may seem trivial, as posts on forums generally are, but in greater numbers they become less trivial.

Altay- 10y ago
Who keeps their phone for over a year? No one rational, that's for sure. If you think its wasteful to change your phone annually, you better never go to the movies, buy coffee outside, etc. The hours-per-dollar return on a phone is better than anything else you can spend money on save for a PC, mattress, and a few other objects.
- flukus 10y ago
  > Who keeps their phone for over a year? No one rational, that's for sure. Most people do, there is nothing irrational about it. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean you should buy more of it.
- dan1234 10y ago
  Rocking a 2 year old iPhone 6 here, which is still working fine. No desire to replace it until at least the next release cycle.
- simonh 10y ago
  My daughter just got a replacement for my old iPhone 3GS. She was still using it until week before last, with the original battery. It can even still connect to the app store.
- pavelludiq 10y ago
  I kept my last non-smart phone for at least 7 years. If it ain't broke...
- pixl97 10y ago
  What kind of silly wasteful thinking has infected you? What if instead of getting caught in a consumerism loop of enriching Samsung and Apple (and Starbucks in your listed cases) I save my money, invest it, and attempt to be an environmentally friendly person in general. You are an addict. Waste is your addiction.
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
It is a valid complaint. However, I mostly read it on tech blogs so it is pretty much preaching to the choir. _We_ all know the pros and cons of a replaceable battery already. _We_ don't need to be told all the time. Edit: Please note that if your battery is losing half or more of its capacity w/in one year, it is defective. Have it replaced. (Off the top of my head, I think Apple's guide is 80% remaining capacity within a warranted period. Surely other OEMs are similar).

anexprogrammer 10y ago

It's a valid complaint when non-removable batteries are only there to increase frequency of device replacement. It's valid when batteries don't last anywhere near a day once you've installed some things. In prehistoric times, when batteries lasted ages, many device docks had a slot to charge your spare battery as well. Progress?

kec 10y ago
Prehistoric mobile phones had effectively 0 energy drain other than the PA in the cell radio. Modern devices have many more sources of significant power drain including multiple PAs, high resolution screens, high quality cameras, and compute which is within a couple orders of magnitude of desktop machines. The death of the user serviceable battery isn't planned obsolescence, it's a tradeoff to shove the most energy storage possible into a given volume.
- Karunamon 10y ago
  I strongly question how much energy storage is being lost by having the battery sit on some contacts behind a removable backplate rather than be soldered in place in the same spot anyways.
  - visarga 10y ago
    I'm wondering, if they allowed an extra millimeter of thickness to the phone, if it would still be having these issues. Instead, it would have been a Note 7 with 4 extra hours of functioning time, not an exploding phone.
- anexprogrammer 10y ago
  Market doesn't ever seem to bear that out. S3 mAh matched Nexus 4 and similar, iPhone 4&5 were a lot less. Pixel XL is only thing I can think of with more mAh than an LG V20. There may be others.
oldmanjay 10y ago
The point is not that the complaint is invalid. The point is that it is not an interesting enough contribution to be repeated endlessly.