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Mark Zuckerberg said those things when he was 19 over a decade ago. He's now a father, the CEO of a global company with over 12,000 employees and one of the ric

Mark Zuckerberg said those things when he was 19 over a decade ago. He's now a father, the CEO of a global company with over 12,000 employees and one of the richest people in the world. Maybe he has matured since then?

_RPM 10y ago
Donald Trump bragged about how he sexually assaults women over a decade ago. He now might be president. Maybe he has matured since then?
- trendia 10y ago
  your last 3 comments have been about Trump, despite the topic not having anything to do with politics.
  - _RPM 10y ago
    Hm. Maybe you should think about it more abstractly because these things are quite similar.
    - alexqgb 10y ago
      The differences in maturity between 19 and 31 are tremendous, while those between 60 and 70 are virtually non existent, so no, these cases are not quite similar at all. For what it's worth, rental car companies won't allow drivers under 25 because their insurance companies have a wealth of data to demonstrate that's when reliable levels of independent judgement emerge. For the same reason, militaries prefer soldiers who are under 25.
      - nickpsecurity 10y ago
        "For what it's worth, rental car companies won't allow drivers under 25 because their insurance companies have a wealth of data to demonstrate that's when reliable levels of independent judgement emerge. For the same reason, militaries prefer soldiers who are under 25." That's a very uncommon and great way to look at military recruitment. I've been focusing on the "not enough judgment for beer or voting but good enough for murder" angle but I think I might quote you too. ;)
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Zelphyr 10y ago
What evidence do we have that he has matured? It's not a matter of being an immature college kid anymore. In many respects he has a financial incentive to abuse people's privacy now.
- lucasmullens 10y ago
  I think it's fair to assume that going from a 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation involves maturing quite a bit.
  - lucideer 10y ago
    I'm not sure what you're basing this assumption on?
  - Zelphyr 10y ago
    For most people, the thirteen years from age 19 to 32 involves a great deal of maturity and in many respects I imagine the same applies to him. But if he started out as somewhat unscrupulous, what evidence do we have that the pressures of having to appease investors is going to change that in a positive way when it comes to people's private information? Especially considering the kind of revenue that data can generate.
    - res0nat0r 10y ago
      Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules other than silly quotes from a decade or more ago?
      - justabystander 10y ago
        > Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules Whether or not they go against their own rules is a moot point, given their history of changing those rules and systems with little to no notice or documentation. They've modified privacy multiple times and changed defaults so as to trick users into sharing more than intended. There was an article not long ago about privacy implications of sharing links in the messenger, as they store links in such a way as to track the history of unrelated people who also shared the link. Not to mention various issues with undocumented collection of private data on mobile devices. Facebook isn't really a company deserving of third-party defense in the arena of privacy.
emilsedgh 10y ago
Maybe he has matured since then? And the interest and exploits from Facebook has grown as well. I mean, of course he is not that naive to use Facebook to extract peoples pics/phone numbers. But what he can extract from it has probably grown more than he did as a person. I like him, but he has said what he has said and he is not saint (Snowden in this case).
nickpsecurity 10y ago
That's usually a great defense if you're not talking about a person whose schemes only grew over time in both privacy violations and business gains. This is also the same guy who spends lots of time convincing users privacy doesn't matter and he should know everything about them while buying up homes all around his for his privacy. He's definitely still playing the "if you need info just ask" cuz they're "dumb fucks" that "trust me" game. Just worth billions with his company making as much on the same game on a worldwide scale.
shard972 10y ago
Has he ever addressed his comments?
js8 10y ago
I am sure there is plenty of people who didn't think and say anything like that when they were 19, i.e. they were already mature. Unfortunately, they have not much say in how FB is doing its business. Why are we giving MZ benefit of the doubt, when there is plenty of likely more mature people?
pmlnr 10y ago
This was the point when the guy should have been forgotten as a face of a reliable business. I does not matter if he had matured since; this was the foundation FB was built on: that you freely give away your personal information.

_RPM 10y ago

Donald Trump bragged about how he sexually assaults women over a decade ago. He now might be president. Maybe he has matured since then?

trendia 10y ago
your last 3 comments have been about Trump, despite the topic not having anything to do with politics.
- _RPM 10y ago
  Hm. Maybe you should think about it more abstractly because these things are quite similar.
  - alexqgb 10y ago
    The differences in maturity between 19 and 31 are tremendous, while those between 60 and 70 are virtually non existent, so no, these cases are not quite similar at all. For what it's worth, rental car companies won't allow drivers under 25 because their insurance companies have a wealth of data to demonstrate that's when reliable levels of independent judgement emerge. For the same reason, militaries prefer soldiers who are under 25.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      "For what it's worth, rental car companies won't allow drivers under 25 because their insurance companies have a wealth of data to demonstrate that's when reliable levels of independent judgement emerge. For the same reason, militaries prefer soldiers who are under 25." That's a very uncommon and great way to look at military recruitment. I've been focusing on the "not enough judgment for beer or voting but good enough for murder" angle but I think I might quote you too. ;)
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Zelphyr 10y ago

What evidence do we have that he has matured? It's not a matter of being an immature college kid anymore. In many respects he has a financial incentive to abuse people's privacy now.

lucasmullens 10y ago
I think it's fair to assume that going from a 19-year-old college kid to the CEO of a giant corporation involves maturing quite a bit.
- lucideer 10y ago
  I'm not sure what you're basing this assumption on?
- Zelphyr 10y ago
  For most people, the thirteen years from age 19 to 32 involves a great deal of maturity and in many respects I imagine the same applies to him. But if he started out as somewhat unscrupulous, what evidence do we have that the pressures of having to appease investors is going to change that in a positive way when it comes to people's private information? Especially considering the kind of revenue that data can generate.
  - res0nat0r 10y ago
    Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules other than silly quotes from a decade or more ago?
    - justabystander 10y ago
      > Any evidence of FB going directly against their privacy rules Whether or not they go against their own rules is a moot point, given their history of changing those rules and systems with little to no notice or documentation. They've modified privacy multiple times and changed defaults so as to trick users into sharing more than intended. There was an article not long ago about privacy implications of sharing links in the messenger, as they store links in such a way as to track the history of unrelated people who also shared the link. Not to mention various issues with undocumented collection of private data on mobile devices. Facebook isn't really a company deserving of third-party defense in the arena of privacy.

emilsedgh 10y ago

Maybe he has matured since then? And the interest and exploits from Facebook has grown as well. I mean, of course he is not that naive to use Facebook to extract peoples pics/phone numbers. But what he can extract from it has probably grown more than he did as a person. I like him, but he has said what he has said and he is not saint (Snowden in this case).

nickpsecurity 10y ago

That's usually a great defense if you're not talking about a person whose schemes only grew over time in both privacy violations and business gains. This is also the same guy who spends lots of time convincing users privacy doesn't matter and he should know everything about them while buying up homes all around his for his privacy. He's definitely still playing the "if you need info just ask" cuz they're "dumb fucks" that "trust me" game. Just worth billions with his company making as much on the same game on a worldwide scale.

shard972 10y ago

Has he ever addressed his comments?

js8 10y ago

I am sure there is plenty of people who didn't think and say anything like that when they were 19, i.e. they were already mature. Unfortunately, they have not much say in how FB is doing its business. Why are we giving MZ benefit of the doubt, when there is plenty of likely more mature people?

pmlnr 10y ago

This was the point when the guy should have been forgotten as a face of a reliable business. I does not matter if he had matured since; this was the foundation FB was built on: that you freely give away your personal information.