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How much do you think it will take until Juniper JunOS and netApp will upgrade their kernels to 11.0-p1?

by eb0la 10y ago

oneplane 10y ago
It will take buying the company and making it happen.
kev009 10y ago
Acknowledging this is somewhat inflammatory, both of those companies are absent and incompetent when it comes to open source interaction when compared to others like EMC Isilon and Netflix. NetApp does tend to be one of the higher financial contributors to the FreeBSD Foundation but this amounts to the salary of one full time engineer. I think the bhyve code drop was a fluke, but a very fortunate one, and the two developers left NetApp quickly after that happened. Outside of that, especially during the formative '90s and '00 where it could have been politically influential, continuing today there is almost no code reintegration. It's hard to find business justification because NetApp is a prime contributor to Linux, including the NFS server which could be argued has allowed companies like PureStorage to eat their lunch. Juniper has some storied history of many many-year projects to resync their branch. They have their own TCP stack. Many of the influential FreeBSD devs I know there have fled recently. I heard something about switching to Linux. Sounds like a rudderless company, following a nice anti-pattern example set by Yahoo. It is sad because JunOS and the HW was and is for now quite nice. I work at a small but highly traditional/bureaucratic company and was able to build a 4 person full time upstream BSD team in 2 years. I cannot fathom why NetApp and Juniper would not have a 10-40 people upstream team.
- X86BSD 10y ago
  Sigh, you know, the Juniper story is so sad. I even owned stock in it at one time. It started out great, had such potential, and just imploded. Yeah I have heard the rumor of them moving to Linux too. Good luck with that tire fire! They do that and they are dead to me.

How much do you think it will take until Juniper JunOS and netApp will upgrade their kernels to 11.0-p1?

by eb0la 10y ago

How much do you think it will take until Juniper JunOS and netApp will upgrade their kernels to 11.0-p1?

oneplane 10y ago

It will take buying the company and making it happen.

kev009 10y ago

Acknowledging this is somewhat inflammatory, both of those companies are absent and incompetent when it comes to open source interaction when compared to others like EMC Isilon and Netflix. NetApp does tend to be one of the higher financial contributors to the FreeBSD Foundation but this amounts to the salary of one full time engineer. I think the bhyve code drop was a fluke, but a very fortunate one, and the two developers left NetApp quickly after that happened. Outside of that, especially during the formative '90s and '00 where it could have been politically influential, continuing today there is almost no code reintegration. It's hard to find business justification because NetApp is a prime contributor to Linux, including the NFS server which could be argued has allowed companies like PureStorage to eat their lunch. Juniper has some storied history of many many-year projects to resync their branch. They have their own TCP stack. Many of the influential FreeBSD devs I know there have fled recently. I heard something about switching to Linux. Sounds like a rudderless company, following a nice anti-pattern example set by Yahoo. It is sad because JunOS and the HW was and is for now quite nice. I work at a small but highly traditional/bureaucratic company and was able to build a 4 person full time upstream BSD team in 2 years. I cannot fathom why NetApp and Juniper would not have a 10-40 people upstream team.

X86BSD 10y ago
Sigh, you know, the Juniper story is so sad. I even owned stock in it at one time. It started out great, had such potential, and just imploded. Yeah I have heard the rumor of them moving to Linux too. Good luck with that tire fire! They do that and they are dead to me.