You're missing the point. I was talking about CS, not about product design. Turing machines have nothing to do with iPods. Engineers are supposed to design sys

You're missing the point. I was talking about CS, not about product design. Turing machines have nothing to do with iPods. Engineers are supposed to design systems given some specs. The specs are to be compiled by someone else. The designers are the ones who should worry about the buttons in the product. The engineers should worry about making the electronics and software work. So, I say it again: we need wolves. Not just in electronics and software, but also in design, manufacture, etc. People who go along with the flow make good, loyal employees at some big corporation, but they will never create anything new... and the main reason is that they lack the motivation to create something new. If they had such motivation, they would be wolves.