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So now employers are being told to have their employees put business data (potentially even sensitive or secret) on US servers that are "owned" by the US govern

by benevol 10y ago

So now employers are being told to have their employees put business data (potentially even sensitive or secret) on US servers that are "owned" by the US government (see PRISM, etc.), while everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. How stupid do you think the rest of the world is?

lettergram 10y ago
You'd be surprised. Google recently bought API.ai for the exact same reason, albeit API.ai has raw data and Workplace would be companies internal interaction data.
dangoor 10y ago
Google Apps for your Domain (G Suite now, I guess) is already like this, right?
prostoalex 10y ago
Considering that the door was wide open with Google Docs (err, Suite), Microsoft Office 365, respective e-mail offerings (Google Apps, Microsoft Outlook), Yammer, Github, Box, Dropbox and Slack, I don't know if "now" is an appropriate term to use.
linkregister 10y ago
> everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. I didn't know that, can you give some examples of this? I heard about the US government making a WTO claim over bribery by Airbus in Saudi Arabia ostensibly discovered by electronic surveillance (not PRISM-related), but this is in the gray area.
- JumpCrisscross 10y ago
  The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-nsa-soll-auch-franzoesische-wirtschaft-bespitzelt-haben-a-1041268.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-despite-claiming-it-doesnt-engage-economic-espionage-engaged-economic-espionage.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d... [3] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...
  - linkregister 10y ago
    I appreciate your links to articles about espionage activities with corporate targets. None of them mention any examples of economic benefit, due or undue. The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation is a great example of justified espionage (if it occurred; it probably occurred). Less than 2 years later, Petrobras was implicated in massive corruption scandals involving the Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff. U.S. decision makers should probably know if a trade partner and friendly nation is about to have massive political unrest due to corruption charges! If you wish to change the subject to "economic espionage is wrong" or something like that, feel free. If so, please don't imply my assertion is incorrect. I think that is misleading.
    - meira 10y ago
      What about FIFA? And why nobody is hearing about it anymore? All that scandal was only to pressure brazillian major media group, Globo, responsible for most of bribering in futebol. But then Globo delivered what US demanded and nobody hear about FIFA scandal anymore
    - JumpCrisscross 10y ago
      The Intercept article [1] references the DNI's 2009 Quadriennial Intelligence Community review report [2] which "envisions a scenario in which companies from India and Russia work together to develop technological innovation, and the U.S. intelligence community then 'conducts cyber operations' against 'research facilities' in those countries, acquires their proprietary data, and then 'assesses whether and how its findings would be useful to U.S. industry'." So no, we don't have a smoking gun. But we do have a powerful agency with questionable oversight which has proven its willingness to lie to Congress and documented its willingness to deploy intelligence assets in ways that prove "useful to U.S. industry". [1] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use... [2] https://theintercept.com/document/2014/09/05/quadrennial-intelligence-review-final-report-2009/ https://theintercept.com/document/2014/09/05/quadrennial-int...
    - 10y ago

by benevol 10y ago

lettergram 10y ago

You'd be surprised. Google recently bought API.ai for the exact same reason, albeit API.ai has raw data and Workplace would be companies internal interaction data.

dangoor 10y ago

Google Apps for your Domain (G Suite now, I guess) is already like this, right?

prostoalex 10y ago

Considering that the door was wide open with Google Docs (err, Suite), Microsoft Office 365, respective e-mail offerings (Google Apps, Microsoft Outlook), Yammer, Github, Box, Dropbox and Slack, I don't know if "now" is an appropriate term to use.

linkregister 10y ago

> everybody today knows that NSA surveillance data is being used to gain economic advantages for the country. I didn't know that, can you give some examples of this? I heard about the US government making a WTO claim over bribery by Airbus in Saudi Arabia ostensibly discovered by electronic surveillance (not PRISM-related), but this is in the gray area.

JumpCrisscross 10y ago
The American surveillance infrastructure was deployed, allegedly for corporate espionage, against targets in France [1], Germany and Brazil [2]. The IMF, the World Bank and the EU antitrust commissioner, amongst others, were likely targeted to help politically-connected companies [3]. [1] http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-nsa-soll-auch-franzoesische-wirtschaft-bespitzelt-haben-a-1041268.html http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-... [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-despite-claiming-it-doesnt-engage-economic-espionage-engaged-economic-espionage.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150629/16134031494/nsa-d... [3] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...
- linkregister 10y ago
  I appreciate your links to articles about espionage activities with corporate targets. None of them mention any examples of economic benefit, due or undue. The infamous Petrobras espionage that was implied because it appeared in a slide in a training presentation is a great example of justified espionage (if it occurred; it probably occurred). Less than 2 years later, Petrobras was implicated in massive corruption scandals involving the Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff. U.S. decision makers should probably know if a trade partner and friendly nation is about to have massive political unrest due to corruption charges! If you wish to change the subject to "economic espionage is wrong" or something like that, feel free. If so, please don't imply my assertion is incorrect. I think that is misleading.
  - meira 10y ago
    What about FIFA? And why nobody is hearing about it anymore? All that scandal was only to pressure brazillian major media group, Globo, responsible for most of bribering in futebol. But then Globo delivered what US demanded and nobody hear about FIFA scandal anymore
  - JumpCrisscross 10y ago
    The Intercept article [1] references the DNI's 2009 Quadriennial Intelligence Community review report [2] which "envisions a scenario in which companies from India and Russia work together to develop technological innovation, and the U.S. intelligence community then 'conducts cyber operations' against 'research facilities' in those countries, acquires their proprietary data, and then 'assesses whether and how its findings would be useful to U.S. industry'." So no, we don't have a smoking gun. But we do have a powerful agency with questionable oversight which has proven its willingness to lie to Congress and documented its willingness to deploy intelligence assets in ways that prove "useful to U.S. industry". [1] https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use... [2] https://theintercept.com/document/2014/09/05/quadrennial-intelligence-review-final-report-2009/ https://theintercept.com/document/2014/09/05/quadrennial-int...
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