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No you don't want a product made by wolves. Because no sheep will buy it ever. Why do you need diversity? I've heard this story about a japanese stereo system.

by maigret 17y ago

No you don't want a product made by wolves. Because no sheep will buy it ever. Why do you need diversity? I've heard this story about a japanese stereo system. Nobody bought it, and they searched why. There were too much buttons on it - it had been only designed by a team of men, all engineer. You want diversity in the product conception because you want your product to appeal to a diverse (global) world. Of course that maybe be not valid for a plane autopilot system, but this is the case for many jobs (think of Web programming).

apsec112 17y ago
"Why do you need diversity?" You want diversity of opinion and diversity of talent. The question he's asking is: why do Americans care so much about diversity of skin color? Why does it matter if the engineers are all black or white or Malay or whatever? "There were too much buttons on it - it had been only designed by a team of men, all engineer." Yup. Because all men are incompetent at UI design, just like how girls can't do math. </sarcasm> "You want diversity in the product conception because you want your product to appeal to a diverse (global) world." What does that even mean? The vast, vast majority of products are only intended for First World use, because only First Worlders have the money to buy them. I really don't like how people use the words "cultural diversity" as a feel-good buzzword without actually understanding what it means. Real cultural diversity doesn't consist of dark-skinned people with bright-colored clothes doing some sort of ritual dancing. Real cultural diversity is like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw - things that seem horrifying, disgusting, and wrong to us. (Biblical culture is roughly as distant from ours as many African cultures are.)
TrollTime 17y ago
This will not be a problem for long. Eugenics failed, but genetic engineering will finally enable us to get rid of the retards and create a new slave race of women that go back where they belong; The kitchen.
Rod 17y ago
You're missing the point. I was talking about CS, not about product design. Turing machines have nothing to do with iPods. Engineers are supposed to design systems given some specs. The specs are to be compiled by someone else. The designers are the ones who should worry about the buttons in the product. The engineers should worry about making the electronics and software work. So, I say it again: we need wolves. Not just in electronics and software, but also in design, manufacture, etc. People who go along with the flow make good, loyal employees at some big corporation, but they will never create anything new... and the main reason is that they lack the motivation to create something new. If they had such motivation, they would be wolves.

by maigret 17y ago

apsec112 17y ago

"Why do you need diversity?" You want diversity of opinion and diversity of talent. The question he's asking is: why do Americans care so much about diversity of skin color? Why does it matter if the engineers are all black or white or Malay or whatever? "There were too much buttons on it - it had been only designed by a team of men, all engineer." Yup. Because all men are incompetent at UI design, just like how girls can't do math. </sarcasm> "You want diversity in the product conception because you want your product to appeal to a diverse (global) world." What does that even mean? The vast, vast majority of products are only intended for First World use, because only First Worlders have the money to buy them. I really don't like how people use the words "cultural diversity" as a feel-good buzzword without actually understanding what it means. Real cultural diversity doesn't consist of dark-skinned people with bright-colored clothes doing some sort of ritual dancing. Real cultural diversity is like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw - things that seem horrifying, disgusting, and wrong to us. (Biblical culture is roughly as distant from ours as many African cultures are.)

TrollTime 17y ago

This will not be a problem for long. Eugenics failed, but genetic engineering will finally enable us to get rid of the retards and create a new slave race of women that go back where they belong; The kitchen.

Rod 17y ago

You're missing the point. I was talking about CS, not about product design. Turing machines have nothing to do with iPods. Engineers are supposed to design systems given some specs. The specs are to be compiled by someone else. The designers are the ones who should worry about the buttons in the product. The engineers should worry about making the electronics and software work. So, I say it again: we need wolves. Not just in electronics and software, but also in design, manufacture, etc. People who go along with the flow make good, loyal employees at some big corporation, but they will never create anything new... and the main reason is that they lack the motivation to create something new. If they had such motivation, they would be wolves.