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To be fair, the Pixel is a horrible value, as it doesn't seem to be as significantly better than what it's replacing relative to the significant increase in pri

by gtk40 10y ago

To be fair, the Pixel is a horrible value, as it doesn't seem to be as significantly better than what it's replacing relative to the significant increase in price.

criddell 10y ago
Is the price difference that significant? To me, the difference between a $1000 phone and a $400 is less than $1 per day (I keep my phones for 24 months). A buck a day is something I can afford and am willing to pay it for even a modestly better phone. I would guess a lot of HN readers are in a similar position. I wish Google would have come out with something much better even if it would have been more expensive than an iPhone.
- unethical_ban 10y ago
  $600 is a vacation, or more than a week's pay after taxes for me. Why would I pay $600 extra for a phone that isn't that much better? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Hell, $600 can feed a family of four for several weeks.
  - criddell 10y ago
    If you are deciding between feeding your family or getting a phone, by all means, feed your family. All I'm saying is if you have a little disposable income ($1 / day) then for many people a better phone is worth the price difference. I think it's especially true when you think about how many hours every day people use their phones. I can get by just fine with a 4-year old PC, but having to use a 4-year old phone would suck.
- gtk40 10y ago
  Certainly there are plenty of people for whom it is significant. You could just as easily say many have their smartphone fully paid for by their employer so it doesn't matter. When I paid for my own smartphone before, I got a Moto G (80% as good as a phone many times as expensive). Now that my employer pays, I got a more expensive phone that I like only marginally better than my former Moto G (and I miss some things about the G). However, plenty of people are not in that situation, and plenty of people notice the $500+ difference.
  - criddell 10y ago
    Yes there are plenty of people that can't afford it, but I was mostly talking to HN readers. $1 per day is something that most of us can afford. Verizon will sell you an iPhone 7 Plus for $32 / month. For sure it's a luxury item, but it's within reach. If a Moto G is good enough for you, then great! You have sixty five cents per day that you can spend on other things.
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- r00fus 10y ago
  There is value in looking at amortized price, but keep in mind many people (esp. fans) upgrade more frequently than 24mo. For them the cost differential is much sharper and more frequent. Also add in the fact that unlike on the Apple side, most of the Android customer base can simply wait a few months or even weeks and get a much better price (see: most LG phones based on my research), or the same specs from a different manufacturer.
  - criddell 10y ago
    Upgrading annually is still within reach for most people, especially if they are enthusiasts. It costs around $2 per day if you want a new phone every year. Your Android comment is spot on. I'm wary though of comparing specs because that can be misleading. A couple of phones ago I had a OnePlus One which looked marvelous on paper and it ended up being a terrible phone.

by gtk40 10y ago

To be fair, the Pixel is a horrible value, as it doesn't seem to be as significantly better than what it's replacing relative to the significant increase in price.

criddell 10y ago

Is the price difference that significant? To me, the difference between a $1000 phone and a $400 is less than $1 per day (I keep my phones for 24 months). A buck a day is something I can afford and am willing to pay it for even a modestly better phone. I would guess a lot of HN readers are in a similar position. I wish Google would have come out with something much better even if it would have been more expensive than an iPhone.

unethical_ban 10y ago
$600 is a vacation, or more than a week's pay after taxes for me. Why would I pay $600 extra for a phone that isn't that much better? Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Hell, $600 can feed a family of four for several weeks.
- criddell 10y ago
  If you are deciding between feeding your family or getting a phone, by all means, feed your family. All I'm saying is if you have a little disposable income ($1 / day) then for many people a better phone is worth the price difference. I think it's especially true when you think about how many hours every day people use their phones. I can get by just fine with a 4-year old PC, but having to use a 4-year old phone would suck.
gtk40 10y ago
Certainly there are plenty of people for whom it is significant. You could just as easily say many have their smartphone fully paid for by their employer so it doesn't matter. When I paid for my own smartphone before, I got a Moto G (80% as good as a phone many times as expensive). Now that my employer pays, I got a more expensive phone that I like only marginally better than my former Moto G (and I miss some things about the G). However, plenty of people are not in that situation, and plenty of people notice the $500+ difference.
- criddell 10y ago
  Yes there are plenty of people that can't afford it, but I was mostly talking to HN readers. $1 per day is something that most of us can afford. Verizon will sell you an iPhone 7 Plus for $32 / month. For sure it's a luxury item, but it's within reach. If a Moto G is good enough for you, then great! You have sixty five cents per day that you can spend on other things.
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r00fus 10y ago
There is value in looking at amortized price, but keep in mind many people (esp. fans) upgrade more frequently than 24mo. For them the cost differential is much sharper and more frequent. Also add in the fact that unlike on the Apple side, most of the Android customer base can simply wait a few months or even weeks and get a much better price (see: most LG phones based on my research), or the same specs from a different manufacturer.
- criddell 10y ago
  Upgrading annually is still within reach for most people, especially if they are enthusiasts. It costs around $2 per day if you want a new phone every year. Your Android comment is spot on. I'm wary though of comparing specs because that can be misleading. A couple of phones ago I had a OnePlus One which looked marvelous on paper and it ended up being a terrible phone.