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Not quite. It doesn't matter, though. Please focus on the first part: "condoms exacerbated the problem of HIV/AIDS". The statement is wildly untrue, and makes

by maurycy 17y ago

Not quite. It doesn't matter, though. Please focus on the first part: "condoms exacerbated the problem of HIV/AIDS". The statement is wildly untrue, and makes the Church guilty of STD's spread.

gaius 17y ago
So people are ignoring the Church on abstinence, but obeying it on contraception? Doesn't really seem plausible, does it?
- edanm 17y ago
  "Doesn't really seem plausible, does it?" It doesn't, but I think this is what happens in practice.
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    Sad but true. A friend of mine is religious and believes in the no contraception / no sex before marriage rule. On a recent trip to Africa she returned and admitted to having sex with a local. Her main concern was not for health problems but moral ones: she had sinned for sex outside of marriage and was repentent etc. When I asked if she'd "at least used a condom" she looked horrified "oh no! I couldn't do that" The problem is that sex outside of marriage is a sin with reward; you get to have sex, that feels good. Condoms are not a necessary part of that act (I don't know of anyone who prefers them! :)) and so the sin is "easier to avoid". There is not necessarily a perceived reward for using contraception (at least at the time of the act). You can lose but not gain. etc.
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- rauljara 17y ago
  No. Not all people will obey calls to abstinence and monogamy. Period. There has always been adultery and teenage pregnancy; there is no reason to think there ever won't be. In addition, no study of abstinence until marriage education has ever been shown to reduce teen pregnancy. However, condom use has been shown to slow the spread of std's. By spreading lies about a method which has been shown to be effective while simultaneously pushing a method which has never been shown to be effective, the church is helping to spread the epidemic. If they want to push abstinence only, fine, but actively discouraging something which can keep people safe by SPREADING LIES is unacceptable.
- dagw 17y ago
  Seems very plausible to me. Most religions don't require that you must follow all the rules, but that you do your best to follow as many as you can and feel really bad when you fail. Given that, why is it so odd that people follow the easy rules (not using a condom) but not the hard rules (abstinence).

by maurycy 17y ago

Not quite. It doesn't matter, though. Please focus on the first part: "condoms exacerbated the problem of HIV/AIDS". The statement is wildly untrue, and makes the Church guilty of STD's spread.

gaius 17y ago

So people are ignoring the Church on abstinence, but obeying it on contraception? Doesn't really seem plausible, does it?

edanm 17y ago
"Doesn't really seem plausible, does it?" It doesn't, but I think this is what happens in practice.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  Sad but true. A friend of mine is religious and believes in the no contraception / no sex before marriage rule. On a recent trip to Africa she returned and admitted to having sex with a local. Her main concern was not for health problems but moral ones: she had sinned for sex outside of marriage and was repentent etc. When I asked if she'd "at least used a condom" she looked horrified "oh no! I couldn't do that" The problem is that sex outside of marriage is a sin with reward; you get to have sex, that feels good. Condoms are not a necessary part of that act (I don't know of anyone who prefers them! :)) and so the sin is "easier to avoid". There is not necessarily a perceived reward for using contraception (at least at the time of the act). You can lose but not gain. etc.
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rauljara 17y ago
No. Not all people will obey calls to abstinence and monogamy. Period. There has always been adultery and teenage pregnancy; there is no reason to think there ever won't be. In addition, no study of abstinence until marriage education has ever been shown to reduce teen pregnancy. However, condom use has been shown to slow the spread of std's. By spreading lies about a method which has been shown to be effective while simultaneously pushing a method which has never been shown to be effective, the church is helping to spread the epidemic. If they want to push abstinence only, fine, but actively discouraging something which can keep people safe by SPREADING LIES is unacceptable.
dagw 17y ago
Seems very plausible to me. Most religions don't require that you must follow all the rules, but that you do your best to follow as many as you can and feel really bad when you fail. Given that, why is it so odd that people follow the easy rules (not using a condom) but not the hard rules (abstinence).