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Hardware is a thing too. I post that from my work station. Bad cheap laptop, one really small and 12 years old monitor... Yeah that company is shitty. You real

by di4na 10y ago

Hardware is a thing too. I post that from my work station. Bad cheap laptop, one really small and 12 years old monitor... Yeah that company is shitty. You really can't get how important that list is before working for a 0/12 company. Really.

merb 10y ago
well even on hardware. on my daily base I use a macbook pro late 2013. however we also built a workstation from ebay components. the workstation is as fast/faster than any computer you can buy at the moment, however money wasn't the problem, more the resources to get everything, resources would be the correct word, not money. not every resource is buyable. and some stuff on the list also only applies to bigger companies.
- di4na 10y ago
  The macbook pro 2013 is probably 10 time more powerful than the thing i use. And your workstation probably used 10 time more money than what my company allows as a budget. I am not saying everything should be there but yes. There is totally a point to the test. Being really low means you are in a shitty place. Being high means nothing.
  - merb 10y ago
    well our standard developer workstation is around 1000€-1600€ for 4-5 years. so my laptop will still need to be used one or two years, actually it's also over the budget, but basically if there is a need for it we buy it and some people are just way more productive with a mac since they knew it form day one, however most new hire's actually used linux/windows so they never want it or only want it cause others have it. it really depends on the needs. we are a java job and I even encourage everybody to use IntelliJ Ultimate, however some still prefer Eclipse and I let them use it, even if I dislike it, it's still their preference after all.
    - di4na 10y ago
      Oh totally i think we are talking of different things. I have to dev on a shitty netbook, on a 17" 4:3 15 years old external monitor and i can't use any external dependencies repository...
r_smart 10y ago
I'd like to back this up. I went from a ~6/12 company to a 0/12 company, and man is it painful. I knew going in it was going to get low marks, and saw it as a challenge to try to push it to 6/12 level if possible (a nice career highlight imho), but I drastically underestimated how taxing it would be. The biggest factor I didn't consider: People who exist in a 0/12 system are at best willing to tolerate it and at worst have engineered it. Change within that population will be challenging, even if they all publicly claim things need to change. You end up dancing on a razor's edge of being a positive change agent and being made a pariah. All while trying to do actual work. Send help.

by di4na 10y ago

merb 10y ago

well even on hardware. on my daily base I use a macbook pro late 2013. however we also built a workstation from ebay components. the workstation is as fast/faster than any computer you can buy at the moment, however money wasn't the problem, more the resources to get everything, resources would be the correct word, not money. not every resource is buyable. and some stuff on the list also only applies to bigger companies.

di4na 10y ago
The macbook pro 2013 is probably 10 time more powerful than the thing i use. And your workstation probably used 10 time more money than what my company allows as a budget. I am not saying everything should be there but yes. There is totally a point to the test. Being really low means you are in a shitty place. Being high means nothing.
- merb 10y ago
  well our standard developer workstation is around 1000€-1600€ for 4-5 years. so my laptop will still need to be used one or two years, actually it's also over the budget, but basically if there is a need for it we buy it and some people are just way more productive with a mac since they knew it form day one, however most new hire's actually used linux/windows so they never want it or only want it cause others have it. it really depends on the needs. we are a java job and I even encourage everybody to use IntelliJ Ultimate, however some still prefer Eclipse and I let them use it, even if I dislike it, it's still their preference after all.
  - di4na 10y ago
    Oh totally i think we are talking of different things. I have to dev on a shitty netbook, on a 17" 4:3 15 years old external monitor and i can't use any external dependencies repository...

r_smart 10y ago

I'd like to back this up. I went from a ~6/12 company to a 0/12 company, and man is it painful. I knew going in it was going to get low marks, and saw it as a challenge to try to push it to 6/12 level if possible (a nice career highlight imho), but I drastically underestimated how taxing it would be. The biggest factor I didn't consider: People who exist in a 0/12 system are at best willing to tolerate it and at worst have engineered it. Change within that population will be challenging, even if they all publicly claim things need to change. You end up dancing on a razor's edge of being a positive change agent and being made a pariah. All while trying to do actual work. Send help.