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I don't know how fatal this will be for Samsung next time they go out and sell phones; but people have got a taste of buying from a company that doesn't have an
by maxpert 10y ago
I don't know how fatal this will be for Samsung next time they go out and sell phones; but people have got a taste of buying from a company that doesn't have any sales or customer rep centers easily accessible where people can go and complaint. I really hope it doesn't turn out to be fatal for them but I also hope it breaks the Samsung monopoly over Android and let brands like LG, HTC shine.
- sho_hn 10y agoLG has a top competitor out right now in the V20. Removable battery, MIL-spec drop proof, second wide angle rear camera, concert-capable stereo mics with manual controls, a second screen that's actually useful (it's located in what would otherwise be dead bezel next to the front camera, and shows e.g. notifications while fullscreen, or can be used as a taskbar), usable software (read: close to vanilla Android Nougat now), fancy DAC and bundled with $150 B&O in-ears. With an aluminum main body and svelte looks. And for some reason they won't launch it in Europe and steal Samsung's sales. Madness, it's by far the most compelling phone available right now. Happy with the one I got in Korea ...
- icelancer 10y agoWow, the V20 looks amazing. I'll probably sell my iPhone 6+ and my Nexus 6P and get one. Not sure when I can get it in America, unfortunately. Any way to import it from Korea?
- sho_hn 10y agoAccording to /r/lgv20 T-Mobile and Sprint are getting it in Oct. Not sure about the import part sorry, I live in Seoul these days :)
- gogopuppygogo 10y agoSounds like a good side business for you to start :-)
- bogomipz 10y agoThis looks great and a removable battery! Thanks for the tip.
- easytiger 10y ago> Madness, it's by far the most compelling phone available right now. It is completely insane. I'd buy one tomorrow. But I cant
- hrrsn 10y agoIt's a sad state of affairs that a removable battery is now a headline feature. In the past I didn't care but these days I sure do.
- wallace_f 10y agoIs it paranoid of me to associate the disappearance of removable batteries with our apparent steady steps towards an Orwellian future? Or no?
- forthefuture 10y agoYes and no. It is paranoid because we're already about 20 years into our Orwellian future; it's no longer ahead of us.
- wallace_f 10y agoDo you mean, 'It is not paranoid because we're already there?'
- fsloth 10y agoSadly the only hardware feature I consider critical is available only in the Note:the stylus (I like painting). Just an example how the value of a hardware feature does not depend on the quality of the feature but also on the utility for the user.
- sho_hn 10y agoYep, absolutely. For example I personally go to a lot of live music concerts, so the V20's microphones are really the selling feature for me (and they have nice synergy with the wide angle camera for stage recordings) - I've had the phone for two weeks now and had occasion to try them out at a rock concert and a jazz lounge so far, and they work as advertised and record a clean feed where my Nexus 5 just amounts to garbled noise and clipping that isn't intelligible as music. It's a hw feature I can't seem to get anywhere else (to my knowledge). I can easily see the stylus be the same thing for someone else.
- Veratyr 10y agoIt all sounds good but it has a 5.7" screen, which kills it for me. It must be super hard to build a good, small phone or something.
- sho_hn 10y agoThis is partially down to the culture they come from. Koreans spend tons of time commuting on subways or sitting in coffeeshops, often watching video during both. The big screens are just a trade-of geared towards those use cases.
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- tdkl 10y agoLG has a bad reputation since G3, G4 and V10 with random bootloops. http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-admits-g4-bootloop-problem-hardware-fault-669603/ http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-admits-g4-bootloop-proble... http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v10-bootloop-problem-711334/ http://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v10-bootloop-problem-7113...
- soulnothing 10y agoI started with an LG optimus on Virgin mobile, and loved that phone. I had an LG G3 and the girlfriend has one as well. I'm mixed about them. On the one hand, the hard ware is great. I got them cheap refurbished and they have a good community. On the other it gets hot, like burning hot touch. I've been through three batteries since getting it. The boot loop on mine made me switch phones. The thing that is making me pause with them is the software. I'm not fond of the custimaztions, but I can live with them. What got me is getting a marshmallow security update nuked the phone. WiFi stopped working, any earphones in the jack always started "Ok Google" recognigtion. Cell Signal went to 2G, and the Home/Back/OpenApps buttons stopped working. It turned the phone into a brick. I finally got around to rolling back this weekend, which took several hours. This wasn't just me I saw similar complaints on XDA.
- CountSessine 10y agoI really hope it doesn't turn out to be fatal for them but I also hope it breaks the Samsung monopoly over Android and let brands like LG, HTC shine. OLED displays are so good they still sell themselves, and Samsung is the only handset maker that seems to be committed to the technology. I doubt this will change much.
- paulcole 10y agoYou mean except for 12 or 24 months from now when the OLED iPhone is announced.
- Uupis 10y agoWith the strong push for color _quality_ (please excuse my lack of a better term) on iOS devices lately, I find the OLED-equipped iPhone rumors a bit confounding. Last I recall they looked a bit off. Nice, but a bit off. That said, my experience with OLED screens is a bit dated, so maybe the color reproduction has improved.
- B1FF_PSUVM 10y agoI expect paulcole is right ... I was recently in the market for a phone, and considering an iPhone SE. But unfortunately I've got hooked on Lumia OLEDs, so I'm taking one last cheap hit from the rapidly cooling MS pipe while Apple gets that duck lined up ;-)
- pawadu 10y agoHave a cheap "Lumia OLED" myself. There was nothing unfortunate about thay buy. Great display, pretty good phone overall, and the money I saved went to a new tablet. Also, I now have an excuse to not install the stupid apps friends and family and random guy at the bus stop recommend.
- acchow 10y agoWhat's so great about OLEDs? They consume much more energy and don't produce the most accurate colors.
- bogomipz 10y agoOutside of Apple iPhones, dont most people just go to their carrier's retail outlet if they have an issue with their phone?
- chrisseaton 10y agoRight, and consumer law means any problem with a phone you bought from them is something you need to take up with them rather than Samsung, is that right? You bought your phone from a retailer. Where the retailer got it from and who they complain to about issues is their problem not yours.
- bogomipz 10y agoThat's correct. Isn't this desirable though?
- chrisseaton 10y agoI think so. The buck always stops with the person you actually dealt with. The retailers can use the same protection when buying their stock in bulk I presume, so defective products get passed all the way back down the line.
- thaumasiotes 10y ago> I also hope it breaks the Samsung monopoly over Android and let brands like LG, HTC shine I have a Nexus S (Samsung), a Nexus 4 (LG), and a Nexus 5 (LG again). As you might guess, I bought those without really bothering to consider who the manufacturer was. The 5, the most recent one, has failed catastrophically and eaten my data. The 4 is suffering from a swelling battery, and will be thrown away as soon as my OnePlus 3 arrives. The S, two years older than the 4, is still going strong, although it doesn't seem quite up to the demands of modern android software. To the extent that a "Samsung monopoly" exists, it's not at all clear to me that breaking it would improve anything.
- camillomiller 10y agoHTC is done... they accepted to make google pixels without any htc branding. It's not something a healthy company could accept
- a3_nm 10y ago> it breaks the Samsung monopoly over Android Is there a Samsung monopoly over Android? Apparently Samsung sells about 25% of smartphones https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-market-share.jsp and 85% of sold smartphones are Android... so certainly not a monopoly.
- Inconel 10y agoI think the parent comment was likely referring to Samsung's perceived dominance in the US market. I'm not sure of the US marketshare breakdowns, although it wouldn't surprise me if Samsung had more than 25%, but I think in terms of mindshare in the US it basically boils down to Apple or Samsung. This is probably particularly true for higher end phones.
- on_and_off 10y agoLooking at the Play Store dev console for an general public app with a very large user base : out of the 10 most used models, 7 come for Samsung. It also hurt to see that. The experience on a Samsung phone is not that great :-/
- vamur 10y agoThey will sell the phone in BRICS and EU where consumers are more risk tolerant. Still plenty of profit. Also, I suspect US consumers will buy directly from Samsung anyway as Note 7 is still the best phablet out there. >>also hope it breaks the Samsung monopoly over Android and let brands like LG, HTC shine. LG phones have bootloop issues. And HTC phones are overpriced.
- vollmond 10y agoI love LG phones, but it's going to be hard to convince me to buy another one after the G4 bootloop stuff. On my third one a year in... (TMo keeps replacing them for me)