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Right, Large scale change of driver habits is a simple solution... a more enforcable suggestion is that the car owner is by default liable for any damages that

Right, Large scale change of driver habits is a simple solution... a more enforcable suggestion is that the car owner is by default liable for any damages that happen from dooring, and that dooring is a fineable offence. Give car owners a real motivacion to check for bikes

vacri 10y ago
Don't like your cab driver? just open the door into the path of a bike.
- hx87 10y ago
  Right, because the passenger in a cab is never responsible for their actions.
  - vacri 10y ago
    Any time you see "Want to control X? Make a different person legally responsible", it's likely to be a disaster of an idea.
    - hx87 10y ago
      In this case we're making the person actually responsible (i.e. in control of the door) legally responsible. Not going to be a disaster by any means.
thrownblown 10y ago
Usually they are. Cheatsheet: http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/dooring_BLU.pdf http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/dooring_BLU.pdf CA law: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22517 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection....
williadc 10y ago
> Large scale change of driver habits is a simple solution... I'm not sure how your proposed solution would work without a large scale change of driver habits.
- hueving 10y ago
  People care about their wallet more than altruistic things.
lighthazard 10y ago
Perhaps a change in car manufacturing where you put the door opening handle behind the driver, forcing them to turn.
Mithaldu 10y ago
You get my downvote just for opening with sarcasm.
cortesoft 10y ago
It already is the law and a fine-able offense in most states. Unless you have doored someone or had it done to you, most people are just not thinking about it.
Natsu 10y ago
Why do you think that the penalties you propose will drive a better change in behavior than this simple and effective habit they're suggesting to drivers? What behavioral change do you expect to result from your proposal and how is it better than getting people to start a habit that will cause them to automatically check behind them? By what mechanism do you believe that punishing unintentional behavior will drive positive changes?

vacri 10y ago

Don't like your cab driver? just open the door into the path of a bike.

hx87 10y ago
Right, because the passenger in a cab is never responsible for their actions.
- vacri 10y ago
  Any time you see "Want to control X? Make a different person legally responsible", it's likely to be a disaster of an idea.
  - hx87 10y ago
    In this case we're making the person actually responsible (i.e. in control of the door) legally responsible. Not going to be a disaster by any means.

thrownblown 10y ago

Usually they are. Cheatsheet: http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/dooring_BLU.pdf http://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/dooring_BLU.pdf CA law: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22517 http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection....

williadc 10y ago

> Large scale change of driver habits is a simple solution... I'm not sure how your proposed solution would work without a large scale change of driver habits.

hueving 10y ago
People care about their wallet more than altruistic things.

lighthazard 10y ago

Perhaps a change in car manufacturing where you put the door opening handle behind the driver, forcing them to turn.

Mithaldu 10y ago

You get my downvote just for opening with sarcasm.

cortesoft 10y ago

It already is the law and a fine-able offense in most states. Unless you have doored someone or had it done to you, most people are just not thinking about it.

Natsu 10y ago

Why do you think that the penalties you propose will drive a better change in behavior than this simple and effective habit they're suggesting to drivers? What behavioral change do you expect to result from your proposal and how is it better than getting people to start a habit that will cause them to automatically check behind them? By what mechanism do you believe that punishing unintentional behavior will drive positive changes?