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> Plus, much of that gossip is going to be with co-workers, which doesn't do you as much good when it comes to finding a job with people at another company comp

> Plus, much of that gossip is going to be with co-workers, which doesn't do you as much good when it comes to finding a job with people at another company company. Of course it does, because people don't work at the same company forever. By far the biggest contributors to my network are former co-workers.

vonmoltke 10y ago
> Of course it does, because people don't work at the same company forever. You obviously haven't spent time in the defense industry.
- morgante 10y ago
  No I haven't, but there's no need to be rude about it. More importantly, I'm obviously talking about the average. On average, developers will change jobs every few years.
  - user5994461 10y ago
    Last company I was at in France, the average stay was 6-7 years. It's a decent company, nothing particularly great or notable. The numbers are similar for other regional companies from what I've heard of. It's higher for a few big old companies (usually in embedded, defence or aerospace). We can assume that the stays are way shorter in SV/NY/London but please keep in mind that they are not representative of the rest of the world.
  - vonmoltke 10y ago
    > No I haven't, but there's no need to be rude about it. I didn't intend to be rude, though I did intend to be snippy. > More importantly, I'm obviously talking about the average. On average, developers will change jobs every few years. First off, I didn't think it was obvious you were talking about the average. Generally when I see comments like that they are presented as some sort of near-universal truth (which is why I reacted the way I did). Second, I don't agree that developers change jobs every few years on average. I only think that is true of a subset of developers that are overrepresented on HN. My entire career so far has been in Dallas, and non-contract developers who turn over jobs that fast are not typical here.
    - morgante 10y ago
      > First off, I didn't think it was obvious you were talking about the average. I certainly don't think it's universal. After all, I too know some people who have stayed in the same job for decades. A useful principle for reading HN is the principal of charity. > Second, I don't agree that developers change jobs every few years on average. I couldn't find any hard numbers, but recruiters and HR people do tend to agree that the tech sector has a shorter average tenure. You're definitely right that this is more pronounced in the hubs though.

vonmoltke 10y ago

> Of course it does, because people don't work at the same company forever. You obviously haven't spent time in the defense industry.

morgante 10y ago
No I haven't, but there's no need to be rude about it. More importantly, I'm obviously talking about the average. On average, developers will change jobs every few years.
- user5994461 10y ago
  Last company I was at in France, the average stay was 6-7 years. It's a decent company, nothing particularly great or notable. The numbers are similar for other regional companies from what I've heard of. It's higher for a few big old companies (usually in embedded, defence or aerospace). We can assume that the stays are way shorter in SV/NY/London but please keep in mind that they are not representative of the rest of the world.
- vonmoltke 10y ago
  > No I haven't, but there's no need to be rude about it. I didn't intend to be rude, though I did intend to be snippy. > More importantly, I'm obviously talking about the average. On average, developers will change jobs every few years. First off, I didn't think it was obvious you were talking about the average. Generally when I see comments like that they are presented as some sort of near-universal truth (which is why I reacted the way I did). Second, I don't agree that developers change jobs every few years on average. I only think that is true of a subset of developers that are overrepresented on HN. My entire career so far has been in Dallas, and non-contract developers who turn over jobs that fast are not typical here.
  - morgante 10y ago
    > First off, I didn't think it was obvious you were talking about the average. I certainly don't think it's universal. After all, I too know some people who have stayed in the same job for decades. A useful principle for reading HN is the principal of charity. > Second, I don't agree that developers change jobs every few years on average. I couldn't find any hard numbers, but recruiters and HR people do tend to agree that the tech sector has a shorter average tenure. You're definitely right that this is more pronounced in the hubs though.