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For what it is worth, that quote was totally misunderstood and turned into a smear campaign. Context is this, some people in Turkey loves to attack people/poli

by afsina 10y ago

For what it is worth, that quote was totally misunderstood and turned into a smear campaign. Context is this, some people in Turkey loves to attack people/politicians for their ethnicity. And I guess some people called him Georgian or Armenian descendant. However, some said it as "Ermeni dölü" - a little hard to translate - "from Armenian seed (or semen)". During his speech he says exactly this: "They called me Georgian. They called me, excuse me, in a very ugly way, Armenian". This is a typical conservative way of talking. He refrained himself using the term "döl-semen" and terms "excuse me" and "very ugly way" was for that word, not for "Armenian". Of course, to me correct way of talking about this issue could be "they call me this and that.. who cares!"

bogomipz 10y ago
Before down voting me, please provide a source that includes the whole context then and substantiates your claim. And this is not the only one. I have provided exampled of at least two others.
- afsina 10y ago
  Ok I will bite. This was the rebuttal against the claim. And, it was so obvious to conservative speakers or old timers like me. I was actually baffled that people misunderstood this. Also, If you are a native speaker, it is obvious (listen it first if you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPIF2ql7pw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPIF2ql7pw ). He says "Benim için mesela neler söylediler, çıktı bir tanesi aynı zihniyet Gürcüdür diyen oldu. Çıktı bir tanesi afedersin çok daha çirkin şeylerle Ermeni diyen oldu.." "then one another came out and told, excuse me, with much more uglier things, Armenian." Grammatically you would not use the term "şeylerle - with..things" there to got the other meaning. Prosody and stops also would be weird to get that meaning. Use of "excuse me" before telling an inappropriate word is also very well known (not for a word like Armenian). It is common that in Turkey many politicians were smeared with slurs like "Armenian dölü-seed" or "Yunan dölü" and he was called with that. He is defining the adjective used frequently. Besides, he is known as the person who tries to break the ice with Armenians state level, do you think he would insult Armenians so calmly like that? Your second link is based on a racist speech claim. However I cannot find the original Turkish speech to make more comments. But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey. But please provide a better source to dig further.
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    "But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey." Really? I think Didier Drogba and many others might disagree with you. This was well-publicized: http://www.nationalturk.com/en/turkish-derbysome-of-fools-showed-the-banana-did-racist-chants-against-didier-drogba-and-eboue-breaking-news-37608/ http://www.nationalturk.com/en/turkish-derbysome-of-fools-sh... http://www.goal.com/en/news/467/turkey/2013/05/21/3993492/drogba-denies-racist-chanting-will-force-him-out-of-turkey http://www.goal.com/en/news/467/turkey/2013/05/21/3993492/dr... In regards to the second link, there is another link here: http://lidblog.com/turkeys-pm-erdogan-believes-blacks-are/ http://lidblog.com/turkeys-pm-erdogan-believes-blacks-are/
    - FuckOffNeemo 10y ago
      Let's not get ahead of ourselves, racism and bigotry is well documented in Football (Soccer). To compare any established football team's supporting crowd to a countries Democratic process is foolish. We're not about to start comparing the social status of Britain to West Ham's Claret and Blue Army, are we? I'd suggest we do not follow the same in Turkey.
      - bogomipz 10y ago
        >"To compare any established football team's supporting crowd to a countries Democratic process is foolish" Nowhere did I attempt to conflate racism with democratic process. I even included the one particular statement I was responding to in my post which was: "But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey."

by afsina 10y ago

bogomipz 10y ago

Before down voting me, please provide a source that includes the whole context then and substantiates your claim. And this is not the only one. I have provided exampled of at least two others.

afsina 10y ago
Ok I will bite. This was the rebuttal against the claim. And, it was so obvious to conservative speakers or old timers like me. I was actually baffled that people misunderstood this. Also, If you are a native speaker, it is obvious (listen it first if you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPIF2ql7pw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPIF2ql7pw ). He says "Benim için mesela neler söylediler, çıktı bir tanesi aynı zihniyet Gürcüdür diyen oldu. Çıktı bir tanesi afedersin çok daha çirkin şeylerle Ermeni diyen oldu.." "then one another came out and told, excuse me, with much more uglier things, Armenian." Grammatically you would not use the term "şeylerle - with..things" there to got the other meaning. Prosody and stops also would be weird to get that meaning. Use of "excuse me" before telling an inappropriate word is also very well known (not for a word like Armenian). It is common that in Turkey many politicians were smeared with slurs like "Armenian dölü-seed" or "Yunan dölü" and he was called with that. He is defining the adjective used frequently. Besides, he is known as the person who tries to break the ice with Armenians state level, do you think he would insult Armenians so calmly like that? Your second link is based on a racist speech claim. However I cannot find the original Turkish speech to make more comments. But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey. But please provide a better source to dig further.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  "But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey." Really? I think Didier Drogba and many others might disagree with you. This was well-publicized: http://www.nationalturk.com/en/turkish-derbysome-of-fools-showed-the-banana-did-racist-chants-against-didier-drogba-and-eboue-breaking-news-37608/ http://www.nationalturk.com/en/turkish-derbysome-of-fools-sh... http://www.goal.com/en/news/467/turkey/2013/05/21/3993492/drogba-denies-racist-chanting-will-force-him-out-of-turkey http://www.goal.com/en/news/467/turkey/2013/05/21/3993492/dr... In regards to the second link, there is another link here: http://lidblog.com/turkeys-pm-erdogan-believes-blacks-are/ http://lidblog.com/turkeys-pm-erdogan-believes-blacks-are/
  - FuckOffNeemo 10y ago
    Let's not get ahead of ourselves, racism and bigotry is well documented in Football (Soccer). To compare any established football team's supporting crowd to a countries Democratic process is foolish. We're not about to start comparing the social status of Britain to West Ham's Claret and Blue Army, are we? I'd suggest we do not follow the same in Turkey.
    - bogomipz 10y ago
      >"To compare any established football team's supporting crowd to a countries Democratic process is foolish" Nowhere did I attempt to conflate racism with democratic process. I even included the one particular statement I was responding to in my post which was: "But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey."