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The centralization is a good point, but I wanted to ask about why > we don't have liberal newspapers anymore in the U.S. Most conservatives would say the pape

by imglorp 10y ago

The centralization is a good point, but I wanted to ask about why > we don't have liberal newspapers anymore in the U.S. Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. Would you expand on that spectrum? > it's unethical to surf the web without using an adblocker It's also unethical to insert malware into ads, or to hire syndication services that allow it. I'll continue to block until that's fixed.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
>> we don't have liberal newspapers anymore in the U.S. >Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. I think this effect can be best demonstrated by a conversation I had with a Google fan last week. In particular, I've had an ongoing banter with him about his choice to refer to The Verge as "iVerge". I find this very odd, that people believe The Verge has a strong Apple bias. You see, The Verge regularly gets exclusive interviews and opportunities from Google. When the Pixel was announced, The Verge staff had already been sent a demo unit, and they had a ton of quotes from senior Google employees available to use in their article, written in advance. Why would an Apple-biased blog be given so much direct access to Google? And this isn't new by any stretch of the imagination. What I've come to recognize is that The Verge will shill for anyone who gives them the goods. Exclusives are as valuable as Google or Apple outright cutting them a check, because it guarantees a ton of page views. Apple and Google both are pretty manipulative when it comes to their press, and unsurprisingly, The Verge rarely posts hard-hitting critical material of either, because hurting a company's reputation in an article is a great way to get blacklisted by their PR team. Anyways, the point of the story: The Google fan stated that even though The Verge seemed equally positive about both companies, that it was Google, in his opinion, which was innovative and did amazing things. So by giving Apple similar coverage, The Verge was being biased towards Apple. Because in his opinion, Apple didn't deserve the praise, but Google did. If you are a biased viewer, a moderate voice can be quickly confused with bias for the other side. This is also, for instance, why liberals think I'm a conservative, and conservatives think I'm a liberal.
- tdkl 10y ago
  This brings up the larger view of the problem - exclusives. If someone gets an exclusive review before the actual launch and doesn't even have the commodity to spend enough time with the product, that will absolutely have an effect to the review result. The good old cool headed reviewing style like Anandtech, where they take the time, perhaps even wait for an software update or two, then state the verdict is more reliable. Or perhaps even some reviewers where they repeat the test after 6 months and review the unit how it stood the test of time and what's changed. That's proper, adult way to examine something. But it sure as hell doesn't bring up all the marketing hype and SEO numbers. Modern media is SHIT.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    For the reason above, I'd say we should learn to treat an exclusively granted review or interview to be a sponsored post. Because an exclusive interview with Sundar Pichai is not substantially distinguishable from a paycheck in the long run for an ad supported blog.
    - tdkl 10y ago
      > we should learn to treat an exclusively granted review or interview to be a sponsored post. I agree, although unless the authors will state this in the headline, there's still the element of dishonesty left. Or we start teaching the difference between ads/sponsored articles and true ones in schools.
Scirra_Tom 10y ago
> Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. Would you expand on that spectrum? Really? Isn't Fox ranked at like number 2? If anyone think that's liberal they need to realign their gauges
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  It may be worth noting that the OP referred solely to newspapers, and Fox is a TV channel. Noting that the parent did say "papers and media outlets", which is definitely less true, because of Fox. Note that Fox is likely so popular because of how few strongly conservative-biased media options there are.
- hga 10y ago
  Looks like #1 for cable news right now, but compare e.g. http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-wednesday-october-5/307022 http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-wednesday-october-... and http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/evening-news-ratings-week-of-sept-19/305713 http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/evening-news-ratings-week-of-... and you'll see that broadcast news totally crushes cable news.
Alex3917 10y ago
> Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. Would you expand on that spectrum? How many active communist newspapers are there left in the U.S.? As far as I know zero, but I could be mistaken. And yet those are what gave us our labor laws, integrated workplaces, women's rights, etc.

by imglorp 10y ago

ocdtrekkie 10y ago

>> we don't have liberal newspapers anymore in the U.S. >Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. I think this effect can be best demonstrated by a conversation I had with a Google fan last week. In particular, I've had an ongoing banter with him about his choice to refer to The Verge as "iVerge". I find this very odd, that people believe The Verge has a strong Apple bias. You see, The Verge regularly gets exclusive interviews and opportunities from Google. When the Pixel was announced, The Verge staff had already been sent a demo unit, and they had a ton of quotes from senior Google employees available to use in their article, written in advance. Why would an Apple-biased blog be given so much direct access to Google? And this isn't new by any stretch of the imagination. What I've come to recognize is that The Verge will shill for anyone who gives them the goods. Exclusives are as valuable as Google or Apple outright cutting them a check, because it guarantees a ton of page views. Apple and Google both are pretty manipulative when it comes to their press, and unsurprisingly, The Verge rarely posts hard-hitting critical material of either, because hurting a company's reputation in an article is a great way to get blacklisted by their PR team. Anyways, the point of the story: The Google fan stated that even though The Verge seemed equally positive about both companies, that it was Google, in his opinion, which was innovative and did amazing things. So by giving Apple similar coverage, The Verge was being biased towards Apple. Because in his opinion, Apple didn't deserve the praise, but Google did. If you are a biased viewer, a moderate voice can be quickly confused with bias for the other side. This is also, for instance, why liberals think I'm a conservative, and conservatives think I'm a liberal.

tdkl 10y ago
This brings up the larger view of the problem - exclusives. If someone gets an exclusive review before the actual launch and doesn't even have the commodity to spend enough time with the product, that will absolutely have an effect to the review result. The good old cool headed reviewing style like Anandtech, where they take the time, perhaps even wait for an software update or two, then state the verdict is more reliable. Or perhaps even some reviewers where they repeat the test after 6 months and review the unit how it stood the test of time and what's changed. That's proper, adult way to examine something. But it sure as hell doesn't bring up all the marketing hype and SEO numbers. Modern media is SHIT.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  For the reason above, I'd say we should learn to treat an exclusively granted review or interview to be a sponsored post. Because an exclusive interview with Sundar Pichai is not substantially distinguishable from a paycheck in the long run for an ad supported blog.
  - tdkl 10y ago
    > we should learn to treat an exclusively granted review or interview to be a sponsored post. I agree, although unless the authors will state this in the headline, there's still the element of dishonesty left. Or we start teaching the difference between ads/sponsored articles and true ones in schools.

Scirra_Tom 10y ago

> Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. Would you expand on that spectrum? Really? Isn't Fox ranked at like number 2? If anyone think that's liberal they need to realign their gauges

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
It may be worth noting that the OP referred solely to newspapers, and Fox is a TV channel. Noting that the parent did say "papers and media outlets", which is definitely less true, because of Fox. Note that Fox is likely so popular because of how few strongly conservative-biased media options there are.
hga 10y ago
Looks like #1 for cable news right now, but compare e.g. http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-wednesday-october-5/307022 http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-wednesday-october-... and http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/evening-news-ratings-week-of-sept-19/305713 http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/evening-news-ratings-week-of-... and you'll see that broadcast news totally crushes cable news.

Alex3917 10y ago

> Most conservatives would say the papers and media outlets are _all_ liberal. Would you expand on that spectrum? How many active communist newspapers are there left in the U.S.? As far as I know zero, but I could be mistaken. And yet those are what gave us our labor laws, integrated workplaces, women's rights, etc.