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Your argument for why Uber's workers should be able to sign themselves up as independent contractors can be used to show that children should be able to work in

Your argument for why Uber's workers should be able to sign themselves up as independent contractors can be used to show that children should be able to work in mines, fast food workers should be able to work for minimum wage, and generally that employees should be able to sign off on giving up any and all employment rights. The point is that either you need a new argument, or you actually believe all of those things. Keep in mind that I have not actually taken sides on the issue at hand; I'm just claiming that your particular argument is a bit flawed.

ZoF 10y ago
It wasn't my arguement. Care to clarify which argument you're attributing to me? >The point is that either you need a new argument, or you actually believe all of those things. No. I can't find one arguement in the thread above that requires 'believing all these things' -children being able to work in mines(appeal to emotion) is tangentially related we aren't even discussing child labor here. -fast food workers should absolutely be able to work for minimum wage, I did. Should it be raised? I think so, but again this is a tangentially related appeal to emotion.(seriously what did you mean with this one other than 'feel bad for poor people'? How is minimum wage relevant in this context?) -Employees should be able to sign off on all employment rights? Look a relevant point, and generally I agree they shouldn't be able to. Can you please clarify exactly how this arguement of mine can be used to show the three things you've outlined? Edit: The funny thing is I don't even disagree with you or the grandparent on the underlying issue here, I just find this constant strawman bullshit so grating.
- thedufer 10y ago
  Apologies for confusing you with brightball; I didn't notice that you jumped in after the back-and-forth. The entire argument put forth was that the government can't annul a contract agreed upon by both parties (even if it is illegal under current law). Which is how pretty much all labor laws. It is a completely generic argument. Once we admit that there are exceptions (oh, but children can't form a contract!), the generic argument has been thrown away.
brightball 10y ago
It's nothing close to that. My argument is that as a legal adult you should have the ability to make your own decisions. Children in mines do not apply. Kids working for McDonald's at 16 do not apply. Grown adults should ABSOLUTELY be able to sign off on giving up any and all employment rights if they so choose, as long as they are free from duress when making that decision. If you can agree to volunteer at a company you should be able to agree to any level of compensation above "volunteer". It is simply, your choice. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Signing a contract under duress is voidable.

ZoF 10y ago

It wasn't my arguement. Care to clarify which argument you're attributing to me? >The point is that either you need a new argument, or you actually believe all of those things. No. I can't find one arguement in the thread above that requires 'believing all these things' -children being able to work in mines(appeal to emotion) is tangentially related we aren't even discussing child labor here. -fast food workers should absolutely be able to work for minimum wage, I did. Should it be raised? I think so, but again this is a tangentially related appeal to emotion.(seriously what did you mean with this one other than 'feel bad for poor people'? How is minimum wage relevant in this context?) -Employees should be able to sign off on all employment rights? Look a relevant point, and generally I agree they shouldn't be able to. Can you please clarify exactly how this arguement of mine can be used to show the three things you've outlined? Edit: The funny thing is I don't even disagree with you or the grandparent on the underlying issue here, I just find this constant strawman bullshit so grating.

thedufer 10y ago
Apologies for confusing you with brightball; I didn't notice that you jumped in after the back-and-forth. The entire argument put forth was that the government can't annul a contract agreed upon by both parties (even if it is illegal under current law). Which is how pretty much all labor laws. It is a completely generic argument. Once we admit that there are exceptions (oh, but children can't form a contract!), the generic argument has been thrown away.

brightball 10y ago

It's nothing close to that. My argument is that as a legal adult you should have the ability to make your own decisions. Children in mines do not apply. Kids working for McDonald's at 16 do not apply. Grown adults should ABSOLUTELY be able to sign off on giving up any and all employment rights if they so choose, as long as they are free from duress when making that decision. If you can agree to volunteer at a company you should be able to agree to any level of compensation above "volunteer". It is simply, your choice. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Signing a contract under duress is voidable.