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Almost seems like an attempt to shift the dialogue from "Republican vs. Democrat" to "USA vs. Russia". Why put out this article now, instead of when this first

by matmo 10y ago

Almost seems like an attempt to shift the dialogue from "Republican vs. Democrat" to "USA vs. Russia". Why put out this article now, instead of when this first became public "knowledge"? I get the feeling this is the democratic establishment trying to say "Look, the GOP is getting hacked too! Lets all turn our focus on Russia!" This is admittedly speculation, though. You can't really trust the government or the media these days, so I don't even know which bits of information I'm working with are true or false.

M_Grey 10y ago
In the absence of evidence, invention and speculation don't really help. Moreover, the reality of conspiracies coming to light and burning the conspirators should always be considered when concocting theories.
- villedespommes 10y ago
  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is exactly how science works. One observes, posits a theory and lastly proves it. Theories are a speculation by default
  - M_Grey 10y ago
    Hypotheses are speculation, and worthless if you're not able to test them.
    - matmo 10y ago
      >In the absence of evidence, invention and speculation don't really help In the same vein, until I see actual evidence (and not just "Mr. SoAndSo said so-and-so is true), I'll factor in the claims of the US government and media as just hypotheses. I think its unfair to say that we should refrain from discussing or theorizing about topics when the truth is murky just because we can't test it. I'd test it if I could, but the reality is that we're never going to have that ability (unless we magically achieve complete governmental transparency somehow).
      - M_Grey 10y ago
        Now that is fair, and I'm not suggesting that people not speculate, but there needs to be an element of the reality that we just don't know.
      - villedespommes 10y ago
        if this news is even partially true. I'd say the US gov is pretty adept at manufacturing any "proof" at will http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-government-pentagon-fake-al-qaeda-propganda-videos-a7348371.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-government-pentag...

by matmo 10y ago

M_Grey 10y ago

In the absence of evidence, invention and speculation don't really help. Moreover, the reality of conspiracies coming to light and burning the conspirators should always be considered when concocting theories.

villedespommes 10y ago
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is exactly how science works. One observes, posits a theory and lastly proves it. Theories are a speculation by default
- M_Grey 10y ago
  Hypotheses are speculation, and worthless if you're not able to test them.
  - matmo 10y ago
    >In the absence of evidence, invention and speculation don't really help In the same vein, until I see actual evidence (and not just "Mr. SoAndSo said so-and-so is true), I'll factor in the claims of the US government and media as just hypotheses. I think its unfair to say that we should refrain from discussing or theorizing about topics when the truth is murky just because we can't test it. I'd test it if I could, but the reality is that we're never going to have that ability (unless we magically achieve complete governmental transparency somehow).
    - M_Grey 10y ago
      Now that is fair, and I'm not suggesting that people not speculate, but there needs to be an element of the reality that we just don't know.
    - villedespommes 10y ago
      if this news is even partially true. I'd say the US gov is pretty adept at manufacturing any "proof" at will http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-government-pentagon-fake-al-qaeda-propganda-videos-a7348371.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-government-pentag...