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So this is the result of a pretty recent hack. Publishing the speeches would've done a lot more harm early in the primaries, making it harder for Clinton to shi

by extra88 10y ago

So this is the result of a pretty recent hack. Publishing the speeches would've done a lot more harm early in the primaries, making it harder for Clinton to shift her emphasis (and occasionally positions) in response to Sanders.

tmalsburg2 10y ago
You're assuming that whoever leaked this primarily wanted to harm Clinton but the alternative is that they want to help Trump, which is not the same thing. In the latter case, the timing is perfect.
- ap22213 10y ago
  This election has been so bizarre that I now believe that none of it has been by chance. I dislike conspiracy theories, but lately I've actually been wondering if something really heavy has been brewing in the basement of the illuminati.
  - adiabatty 10y ago
    I can't imagine that they all are of one mind on which candidate is better for them, assuming such a group exists and meets in secret.
    - ap22213 10y ago
      It's pretty clear to me that Trump is the ideal Putin-like character. He just took out an entire political party like it was nothing. When he destroyed Jeb Bush with almost no effort, I was convinced that he would win the presidency, easily. My liberal friends thought I was crazy. But, at this point, there's nothing that can be done but enjoy the ride. The US is an economic and military superpower that has been ripe for the taking for decades. It has a weak, fractured, and anemic culture and political environment. And, while internally its citizens bicker about the edge cases of wedge issues, it has been easy to inject Trojan horses and more political instability.
ap22213 10y ago
They wouldn't have benefitted Trump during the primaries. He needed a few things in his back pocket just in case the end game was tough.
- douche 10y ago
  If Hillary had gotten knocked off in the primaries, there could be someone that is actually appealing running against him, rather than someone with near record unfavorability ratings. All the projections I've seen showed Bernie or even other darkhorse candidates like Biden polling much better in a head-to-head matchup against Trump.
  - ap22213 10y ago
    I like Bernie, but he had absolutely no chance of winning the primary. In the few states that he won, he only won because of how the primaries were structured. The democrats never took him seriously.

by extra88 10y ago

tmalsburg2 10y ago

You're assuming that whoever leaked this primarily wanted to harm Clinton but the alternative is that they want to help Trump, which is not the same thing. In the latter case, the timing is perfect.

ap22213 10y ago
This election has been so bizarre that I now believe that none of it has been by chance. I dislike conspiracy theories, but lately I've actually been wondering if something really heavy has been brewing in the basement of the illuminati.
- adiabatty 10y ago
  I can't imagine that they all are of one mind on which candidate is better for them, assuming such a group exists and meets in secret.
  - ap22213 10y ago
    It's pretty clear to me that Trump is the ideal Putin-like character. He just took out an entire political party like it was nothing. When he destroyed Jeb Bush with almost no effort, I was convinced that he would win the presidency, easily. My liberal friends thought I was crazy. But, at this point, there's nothing that can be done but enjoy the ride. The US is an economic and military superpower that has been ripe for the taking for decades. It has a weak, fractured, and anemic culture and political environment. And, while internally its citizens bicker about the edge cases of wedge issues, it has been easy to inject Trojan horses and more political instability.

ap22213 10y ago

They wouldn't have benefitted Trump during the primaries. He needed a few things in his back pocket just in case the end game was tough.

douche 10y ago
If Hillary had gotten knocked off in the primaries, there could be someone that is actually appealing running against him, rather than someone with near record unfavorability ratings. All the projections I've seen showed Bernie or even other darkhorse candidates like Biden polling much better in a head-to-head matchup against Trump.
- ap22213 10y ago
  I like Bernie, but he had absolutely no chance of winning the primary. In the few states that he won, he only won because of how the primaries were structured. The democrats never took him seriously.