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Each power has its own norms for network exploitation operations, and thinks their own model is the only "right" one. 1. United States, FVEY, Germany model: e
by linkregister 10y ago
Each power has its own norms for network exploitation operations, and thinks their own model is the only "right" one.
1. United States, FVEY, Germany model: exfiltrate the maximum amount of information from foreign governments and an expedient amount of information from SOEs to satisfy unlimited desire of information by decision makers in government. Occasionally throw a bone to domestic business but only via government trade negotiators. Perform offensive actions only in warfare or warfare-like situations. Leave coups, election manipulation, etc to HUMINT and military action only.
2. China (pre-2016) model: exfiltrate the maximum amount of information from companies and an expedient amount of information from foreign governments, to provide commercial information to satisfy unlimited desire of information by domestic businesses and SOEs and to satisfy limited desire of information by decision makers in government.
3. China (2016) model (ostensibly with the new treaty): exfiltrate an expedient amount of information from foreign governments.
4. France model: exfiltrate an expedient amount of information from companies and foreign governments to satisfy desire of information by domestic businesses and decision makers in government.
5. Russia (pre-2016) model: exfiltrate an expedient amount of information from foreign governments. Perform offensive actions only in warfare or warfare-like situations.
6. Russia (2016) model: exfiltrate an expedient amount of information from foreign governments. Perform destructive actions only in warfare or warfare-like situations. Perform election manipulation via network exploitation in addition to HUMINT and military action!
I think the "complaining" is an apt description of what's going on. However, complaining is a legitimate reaction to having one's elections tampered with. Iran has a legitimate complaint to the US's meddling in its affairs in the 1950s.
Pres. Obama clearly sees a cyber treaty as a priority, as the US is in the process of negotiations with China. Russia should follow.
I agree that complaining by itself isn't productive. Escalation would also be bad. Norms established by treaties appear to be the only effective method. It mostly put an end to the great powers using chemical weapons.
- jwtadvice 10y agoPretty neat attempt at a summary. I feel you've understated the US investment in manipulating elections. Sentry Eagle's feeding information into HUMINT isn't without a commitment within HUMINT and CIA to work in the psychological and political domains. I'm not sure I feel that your list is a list of the norms that each have put forward to establish. The US is closer to a representation of their proposed norms. The others are closer to a description of operations/dossiers. It would be very interesting to read a report on proposed norms next to dossiers and strategic incentives for each country. We fully agree that norms established by treaties is a nice path forward.
- linkregister 10y agoI don't know if I quantified US election manipulation; I think it's fair to take it for granted that most 20th century Central American elections were manipulated by the United States. Does this satisfy your requirement? Your allusion to Sentry Eagle feeding information to HUMINT is pretty transitive; by that logic, Taco Bell helps HUMINT because they have a franchise in the CIA food court. (Not to mention, a CNA program has nothing to do with information gathering) True, stated vs observed are different. I believe the US and French stated match the observed, while the new Chinese statement hasn't been definitively established (detected Chinese intrusions in U.S. companies have sharply decreased, but maybe they improved tradecraft). Russian statements recently are bizarre and serve to promote their new "question everything, including facts" PR push. Most likely the path forward to deescalate the defensive Russian position is to limit aggressive NATO maneuvers, e.g. reconsider emplacing the missile defense installations in peripheral NATO states.
- jwtadvice 10y agoSentry Eagle feeding SIGINT to HUMINT is nothing like Taco Bell. What an absurd thing to say.
- linkregister 10y agoYeah, it's pretty absurd. I went a little bit too far. BTW, I didn't downvote your posts; I enjoyed the discussion.
- jwtadvice 10y agoI'm with you. I was rushing out for the weekend so didn't get the time to write anything more comprehensive anyway. :)