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> What happened in the Ukraine, for example, almost certainly wasn't an organically grown domestic insurrection. That was nurtured by NGOs and foreign intellige

by Mikeb85 10y ago

> What happened in the Ukraine, for example, almost certainly wasn't an organically grown domestic insurrection. That was nurtured by NGOs and foreign intelligence agencies. And it happened twice I might add... > and the US isn't going to stand by and watch Russia destroy the integrity of our elections To be fair, exposing the corruption of one of the major parties isn't exactly going to 'destroy the integrity' of your political system. If anything he's doing you guys a favour. Also, the US has been trying to manipulate elections in Russia for years. It hasn't worked yet because all the opposition to Putin are a bunch of clowns, and because enough Russians still remember the 90's.

empath75 10y ago
They're hacking into election systems as well, not just the DNC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-is-investigating-foreign-hacks-of-state-election-systems/2016/08/29/6e758ff4-6e00-11e6-8365-b19e428a975e_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-i...
- Mikeb85 10y ago
  "Russians". They could just as easily be hackers looking to sell to the highest bidders, criminals, etc... The fact the US even allows electronic voting machines is beyond absurd. Honestly, living outside the US, your whole election system looks like a joke.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Hackers don't tend to target states these days unless they have a state to hide behind, hence being state sponsored. If you are a bored teenager in Poland you'll get to to join the mile high club on one of the fine aircraft of Premier Executive Transport Services or whichever front the CIA uses these days. If you are a bored teenager in the horn of africa you are likely to be placed at the wrong end of the sensor to shooter loop of a UAV. Governments are very good at tracking down intrusions these days, and there is nearly no way of selling this information without being caught, intelligence agencies monitor all the channels, markets, and they operate both undercover agents and informants within virtually any social ring that hackers hang out in. Cyber Crime pays when the risk is considerably smaller than the reward, just like any other type of crime, steal money from a bank and while you'll be hunted down by law enforcement you won't be hunted down by spies and the military, and since the money is insured no one really cares enough to invest too much effort into tracking you down in the first place.

by Mikeb85 10y ago

empath75 10y ago

They're hacking into election systems as well, not just the DNC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-is-investigating-foreign-hacks-of-state-election-systems/2016/08/29/6e758ff4-6e00-11e6-8365-b19e428a975e_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-i...

Mikeb85 10y ago
"Russians". They could just as easily be hackers looking to sell to the highest bidders, criminals, etc... The fact the US even allows electronic voting machines is beyond absurd. Honestly, living outside the US, your whole election system looks like a joke.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Hackers don't tend to target states these days unless they have a state to hide behind, hence being state sponsored. If you are a bored teenager in Poland you'll get to to join the mile high club on one of the fine aircraft of Premier Executive Transport Services or whichever front the CIA uses these days. If you are a bored teenager in the horn of africa you are likely to be placed at the wrong end of the sensor to shooter loop of a UAV. Governments are very good at tracking down intrusions these days, and there is nearly no way of selling this information without being caught, intelligence agencies monitor all the channels, markets, and they operate both undercover agents and informants within virtually any social ring that hackers hang out in. Cyber Crime pays when the risk is considerably smaller than the reward, just like any other type of crime, steal money from a bank and while you'll be hunted down by law enforcement you won't be hunted down by spies and the military, and since the money is insured no one really cares enough to invest too much effort into tracking you down in the first place.