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> So should pornography be illegal in your opinion? I think that very much like dangerous drugs and cigarette smoking, attacking the demand side of this issue

> So should pornography be illegal in your opinion? I think that very much like dangerous drugs and cigarette smoking, attacking the demand side of this issue will be more effective than outright prohibition. > How are drug trial not a form of "rape"? They are not sexual... ... that's how they're not a form of "rape," then. > Some people absolutely have been getting married to be able to get out of poverty, and in my book this is worse than prostitution in the sense that not only do those people have to have sex with their " client", but they also have to live with them and probably do other work such has cleaning and cooking. Yes, that's a terrible situation as well, but it has nothing to do with how reprehensible it is to purchase sex from a prostitute. > At least with prostitution, the contract is clearer, there are negotiated limits on what is provided for the money. I'll argue that if society had less hangups about prostitution, they'd be less of those economical marriages. I'd argue that if a person--OK, let's call a spade a spade, a man--didn't think that their own personal and sexual gratification was more important than someone else's--OK, another spade a spade, a woman's--bodily autonomy, then there'd be both less prostitution and fewer of those marriages. And less rape, and less domestic violence, and less misery overall. But this involves convincing men to introspect about their own privilege vis-a-vis personal and sexual gratification, so it won't happen. > If you think that drug trial for money is more acceptable than sex for money, I think you should have a little introspection about your attitude towards sex. The danger to people participating in drug trials is far, far less than the danger to people participating in prostitution. One merely needs to look at the comparative mortality rates to ascertain that.

dorfsmay 10y ago
> that's a terrible situation as well, but it has nothing to do with how reprehensible it is to purchase sex from a prostitute. If you take "morality" out of the picture, there is no difference, one is selling a one time sexual act for a negotiated amount, the other is selling a lifetime of sex + work for food and shelter. Both are economical deals. The difference is purely the spin one's willing to put on them, in other word, opinions, we obviously disagree, no point arguing further. > if a man didn't think that their own personal and sexual gratification was more important than a woman's bodily autonomy What you describe is rape, where there is no consent. If two adults agree to have sex, society should not be concerned on why, and not interfere. Different people have different level of hormones and sexual needs. Saying things like "people should be less sexual" is not going to solve any problem. > The danger to people participating in drug trials is far, far less than the danger to people participating in prostitution. Because society has made prostitution illegal and is not giving the same level of protection to prostitutes as to other citizens. Prostitution should be regulated and made safe.
- empthought 10y ago
  > Saying things like "people should be less sexual" is not going to solve any problem. Who said anything like that? All I'm saying is that people should not exploit other people for sex. If they do, then they should feel ashamed. The rest of us should not feel impelled to defend people that do exploit other people for sex, whether they use violence or economic disadvantage to do so. > Because society has made prostitution illegal and is not giving the same level of protection to prostitutes as to other citizens. Prostitution should be regulated and made safe. That's just not true; even in countries which have decriminalized or legalized prostitution, a prostitute's life is much more fraught with peril than people participating in drug trials.

dorfsmay 10y ago

> that's a terrible situation as well, but it has nothing to do with how reprehensible it is to purchase sex from a prostitute. If you take "morality" out of the picture, there is no difference, one is selling a one time sexual act for a negotiated amount, the other is selling a lifetime of sex + work for food and shelter. Both are economical deals. The difference is purely the spin one's willing to put on them, in other word, opinions, we obviously disagree, no point arguing further. > if a man didn't think that their own personal and sexual gratification was more important than a woman's bodily autonomy What you describe is rape, where there is no consent. If two adults agree to have sex, society should not be concerned on why, and not interfere. Different people have different level of hormones and sexual needs. Saying things like "people should be less sexual" is not going to solve any problem. > The danger to people participating in drug trials is far, far less than the danger to people participating in prostitution. Because society has made prostitution illegal and is not giving the same level of protection to prostitutes as to other citizens. Prostitution should be regulated and made safe.

empthought 10y ago
> Saying things like "people should be less sexual" is not going to solve any problem. Who said anything like that? All I'm saying is that people should not exploit other people for sex. If they do, then they should feel ashamed. The rest of us should not feel impelled to defend people that do exploit other people for sex, whether they use violence or economic disadvantage to do so. > Because society has made prostitution illegal and is not giving the same level of protection to prostitutes as to other citizens. Prostitution should be regulated and made safe. That's just not true; even in countries which have decriminalized or legalized prostitution, a prostitute's life is much more fraught with peril than people participating in drug trials.