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Anywhere but Apache please! This product is forward thinking and edgy, not ready to die.

by tbrock 10y ago

kimshibal 10y ago
and google
liveoneggs 10y ago
this is a crazy insulting comment
- sdfsdf343 10y ago
  But also extremely accurate.
  - Touche 10y ago
    CouchDB is far from "dead".
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      I thought when it failed to actually scale, and its fundamental point is scaling, it would be fair to say it was no longer a useful technology?
      - SEJeff 10y ago
        CouchDB 2.0 was released (in theory) to fix that long-standing issue with couch.
      - rdtsc 10y ago
        > "when it failed to scale" Hmm, well I saw it scale great. It is very much useful to me. It hasn't lost a single write in years since I've been using it. Along with Basho's Riak is probably the only database that has master-to-master replication done right. Has built-in web interface for administration and data viewing. Ok, I'll bite then, so what's "useful" technology?
        JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Here's a (not quite recent) story of somebody abandoning CouchDB when it exceeded one instance: https://blog.hipchat.com/2013/10/16/how-hipchat-scales-to-1-billion-messages/ https://blog.hipchat.com/2013/10/16/how-hipchat-scales-to-1-... So maybe my info is out of date if 2.0 fixes this.
        liveoneggs 10y ago
        did you read that blog you posted? They still use couchdb and never say they even attempted to use it on multiple instances; just that they ran out of AWS capacity to keep growing their one massive instance. They stopped using the couch-lucene search integration.
        JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Stopped using couchdb 'to scale'
    - deleted 10y ago
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  - glogla 10y ago
    Yes, Hadoop and Spark are great examples of software that is about to die.
    - lima 10y ago
      And Kafka. Only negative example that I can think of is OpenOffice.
      - patrickmn 10y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apache_Software_Foundation_projects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apache_Software_Founda... http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ Many successes (most of which are "enterprise") and many failures.
        ternaryoperator 10y ago
        They also have an "attic," where Apache projects that have been shuttered go.
- mrweasel 10y ago
  The issue is that the Apache Foundation have been used as a dumping ground for "unwanted" projects. There's a number of projects that have done very well under Apache, but it's all projects where developers have moved with the code. Sadly there's also a large number of projects that have just been thrown under the Apache hat, assuming that the foundation would somehow allocate developers. So it often seems like Apache is the place where projects go to die, while the projects that do well aren't often viewed as Apache projects. I mean who thinks about Hadoop being and Apache project?
  - pquerna 10y ago
    The Apache Foundation doesn't "make" projects successful or failures, it provides a home. The foundation doesn't employ developers or really allocate resources for a specific project. It is a "home" with a legal structure, IP structure, some infrastructure, a recurring conference for community events, etc. I think most people misunderstand the ASF. It is not meant to be the home for every software project. It is meant to be the home for projects that care about community and long term stewardship. By long term, I mean, more like 100 years than the next 10 months. It has successful projects, and failures. Maybe it should be more vocal about the successes, but Apache isn't. The foundation isn't flashy. It isn't "hip". It shouldn't be. It's supposed to outlast the corporations we think about today as giants. (I'm an ASF member)
    - ceejayoz 10y ago
      > The Apache Foundation doesn't "make" projects successful or failures, it provides a home. I think the point that's being made is that a home in a neighborhood full of foreclosures and zombie properties winds up losing a lot of its value.
      - pquerna 10y ago
        Almost 300 projects now: https://projects.apache.org/ https://projects.apache.org/ I wouldn't describe it as a "neighborhood full of foreclosures and zombie properties". Yes, theres been a bunch of drama around OpenOffice, but many projects are doing great.
geodel 10y ago
I was about to say the same. I think Apache is more suitable for Java ecosystem components than more fundamental things like programing languages(Rust/Go etc) or databases.
- SEJeff 10y ago
  Mesos is C++
  - geodel 10y ago
    It does not work without Java: http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/getting-started/ http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/getting-started...
    - SEJeff 10y ago
      False, you can do: ./configure --without-java And then build mesos without java support.
  - BafS 10y ago
    And... Apache in C
- languagewars 10y ago
  Hm.. A few months back, I took a risk with couchdb thinking it might be largely orphaned, but had enough satellite community.. what with all the derivitive DBs and infrastructure. I'm a little annoyed to have to be worrying about upgrading now, but there apparently are worse organizational structures for supporting an OSS project than a hands off non profit.
Thaxll 10y ago
Yeah Hadoop, Mesos, Storm those are definitely not "edgy"products...
- baldfat 10y ago
  Spark
- ryeguy 10y ago
  Cassandra is also dead and not used by any notable companies.
  - ben_jones 10y ago
    IIRC Uber uses Cassandra
  - imagist 10y ago
    Cassandra is used by Reddit and Uber. There's a word for unjustified confidence.
    - simonbw 10y ago
      I'm pretty sure the parent comment was joking.
  - frakkingcylons 10y ago
    Apple runs a huge 75K-node Cassandra cluster.
    - TheSockStealer 10y ago
      wooosh

Anywhere but Apache please! This product is forward thinking and edgy, not ready to die.

by tbrock 10y ago

Anywhere but Apache please! This product is forward thinking and edgy, not ready to die.

kimshibal 10y ago

and google

liveoneggs 10y ago

this is a crazy insulting comment

sdfsdf343 10y ago
But also extremely accurate.
- Touche 10y ago
  CouchDB is far from "dead".
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    I thought when it failed to actually scale, and its fundamental point is scaling, it would be fair to say it was no longer a useful technology?
    - SEJeff 10y ago
      CouchDB 2.0 was released (in theory) to fix that long-standing issue with couch.
    - rdtsc 10y ago
      > "when it failed to scale" Hmm, well I saw it scale great. It is very much useful to me. It hasn't lost a single write in years since I've been using it. Along with Basho's Riak is probably the only database that has master-to-master replication done right. Has built-in web interface for administration and data viewing. Ok, I'll bite then, so what's "useful" technology?
      - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Here's a (not quite recent) story of somebody abandoning CouchDB when it exceeded one instance: https://blog.hipchat.com/2013/10/16/how-hipchat-scales-to-1-billion-messages/ https://blog.hipchat.com/2013/10/16/how-hipchat-scales-to-1-... So maybe my info is out of date if 2.0 fixes this.
        liveoneggs 10y ago
        did you read that blog you posted? They still use couchdb and never say they even attempted to use it on multiple instances; just that they ran out of AWS capacity to keep growing their one massive instance. They stopped using the couch-lucene search integration.
        JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Stopped using couchdb 'to scale'
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
- glogla 10y ago
  Yes, Hadoop and Spark are great examples of software that is about to die.
  - lima 10y ago
    And Kafka. Only negative example that I can think of is OpenOffice.
    - patrickmn 10y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apache_Software_Foundation_projects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apache_Software_Founda... http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/ Many successes (most of which are "enterprise") and many failures.
      - ternaryoperator 10y ago
        They also have an "attic," where Apache projects that have been shuttered go.
mrweasel 10y ago
The issue is that the Apache Foundation have been used as a dumping ground for "unwanted" projects. There's a number of projects that have done very well under Apache, but it's all projects where developers have moved with the code. Sadly there's also a large number of projects that have just been thrown under the Apache hat, assuming that the foundation would somehow allocate developers. So it often seems like Apache is the place where projects go to die, while the projects that do well aren't often viewed as Apache projects. I mean who thinks about Hadoop being and Apache project?
- pquerna 10y ago
  The Apache Foundation doesn't "make" projects successful or failures, it provides a home. The foundation doesn't employ developers or really allocate resources for a specific project. It is a "home" with a legal structure, IP structure, some infrastructure, a recurring conference for community events, etc. I think most people misunderstand the ASF. It is not meant to be the home for every software project. It is meant to be the home for projects that care about community and long term stewardship. By long term, I mean, more like 100 years than the next 10 months. It has successful projects, and failures. Maybe it should be more vocal about the successes, but Apache isn't. The foundation isn't flashy. It isn't "hip". It shouldn't be. It's supposed to outlast the corporations we think about today as giants. (I'm an ASF member)
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    > The Apache Foundation doesn't "make" projects successful or failures, it provides a home. I think the point that's being made is that a home in a neighborhood full of foreclosures and zombie properties winds up losing a lot of its value.
    - pquerna 10y ago
      Almost 300 projects now: https://projects.apache.org/ https://projects.apache.org/ I wouldn't describe it as a "neighborhood full of foreclosures and zombie properties". Yes, theres been a bunch of drama around OpenOffice, but many projects are doing great.

geodel 10y ago

I was about to say the same. I think Apache is more suitable for Java ecosystem components than more fundamental things like programing languages(Rust/Go etc) or databases.

SEJeff 10y ago
Mesos is C++
- geodel 10y ago
  It does not work without Java: http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/getting-started/ http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/getting-started...
  - SEJeff 10y ago
    False, you can do: ./configure --without-java And then build mesos without java support.
- BafS 10y ago
  And... Apache in C
languagewars 10y ago
Hm.. A few months back, I took a risk with couchdb thinking it might be largely orphaned, but had enough satellite community.. what with all the derivitive DBs and infrastructure. I'm a little annoyed to have to be worrying about upgrading now, but there apparently are worse organizational structures for supporting an OSS project than a hands off non profit.

Thaxll 10y ago

Yeah Hadoop, Mesos, Storm those are definitely not "edgy"products...

baldfat 10y ago
Spark
ryeguy 10y ago
Cassandra is also dead and not used by any notable companies.
- ben_jones 10y ago
  IIRC Uber uses Cassandra
- imagist 10y ago
  Cassandra is used by Reddit and Uber. There's a word for unjustified confidence.
  - simonbw 10y ago
    I'm pretty sure the parent comment was joking.
- frakkingcylons 10y ago
  Apple runs a huge 75K-node Cassandra cluster.
  - TheSockStealer 10y ago
    wooosh