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It is long shot, in my opinion PR stunt. Cited law 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties' means 'significant imbalance between

It is long shot, in my opinion PR stunt. Cited law 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties' means 'significant imbalance between the rights and obligations of the parties' I dont even think it is related (it is not even translated in the post)

Drakim 10y ago
Definitely a PR stunt, but even so, being sued because you are so behind on standards that it's hurting other businesses certainly puts the spotlight on you.
- stephenr 10y ago
  "So behind on standards". Remind me which browser engine has 100% es6 support? Now remind me which half-baked web api exposes local network information to the JavaScript environment. Oh right. It's HN so apple is the work of the devil and Google is basically Jesus returned.
  - roblabla 10y ago
    The problem isn't so much about how apple is so behind on standards. The problem is that they make it impossible for alternative browsers providing more up-to-date standards to exist on their platform, effectively locking away that userbase.
  - zajd 10y ago
    It's more that Apple is being very selective about which features to not include. Full screen support? Why would you not have that implemented yet in iOS? Notifications... all of these things lead to the conclusion that this isn't about security, it's about protecting the platform.
  - pritambaral 10y ago
    > which browser engine has 100% es6 support? They were talking about HTML5 standards, not JavaScript standards. Standards like fullscreen support and notifications. > It's HN so apple is the work of the devil and Google is basically Jesus returned No one here has made such hyperbole except you.
0xmohit 10y ago
It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position. Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.
- daenney 10y ago
  Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.
  - isaiahg 10y ago
    Would a duopoly be more accurate for you?
    - robin_reala 10y ago
      Duopolies aren’t problematic in the eyes of the law. On that note, neither are monopolies. The problem comes when a monopoly is leveraged to stop other companies from competing.
  - 0xmohit 10y ago
    It might be 13%, but it's a rather loyal user base. Being whimsical about what would or would not appear on the App Store is certainly abusive. -- Somewhat unrelated: https://blog.kapeli.com/apple-removed-dash-from-the-app-store https://blog.kapeli.com/apple-removed-dash-from-the-app-stor...
  - lucozade 10y ago
    19.3% market share in France according to this [0]. Not what would normally pass as a monopoly. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/274123/market-share-held-by-smartphone-os-in-france/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/274123/market-share-held...
  - geocar 10y ago
    Apple is the single biggest manufacturer with a 41% share of the US market. http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Reports-May-2014-U.S.-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Re...
languagewars 10y ago
I think winning in civil court is less likely than triggering a review and fines by the EU. If I were in Apple's shoes, I would fix this now that Microsoft wont distract anyone from their behavior. Any one of these butterflies could land on the wrong desk.
Daetalus 10y ago
The Law that is being used actually gives power to the French Minister of Economy to cancel the provisions that bring 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties'. It can be very fast. It has already been used.

Drakim 10y ago

Definitely a PR stunt, but even so, being sued because you are so behind on standards that it's hurting other businesses certainly puts the spotlight on you.

stephenr 10y ago
"So behind on standards". Remind me which browser engine has 100% es6 support? Now remind me which half-baked web api exposes local network information to the JavaScript environment. Oh right. It's HN so apple is the work of the devil and Google is basically Jesus returned.
- roblabla 10y ago
  The problem isn't so much about how apple is so behind on standards. The problem is that they make it impossible for alternative browsers providing more up-to-date standards to exist on their platform, effectively locking away that userbase.
- zajd 10y ago
  It's more that Apple is being very selective about which features to not include. Full screen support? Why would you not have that implemented yet in iOS? Notifications... all of these things lead to the conclusion that this isn't about security, it's about protecting the platform.
- pritambaral 10y ago
  > which browser engine has 100% es6 support? They were talking about HTML5 standards, not JavaScript standards. Standards like fullscreen support and notifications. > It's HN so apple is the work of the devil and Google is basically Jesus returned No one here has made such hyperbole except you.

0xmohit 10y ago

It certainly appears to be an abuse of one's monopolistic position. Edit: That is not allowing an alternate browser to be the default.

daenney 10y ago
Certainly? How so? I'm also very curious about the monopoly. iOS has an estimated 13% market share.
- isaiahg 10y ago
  Would a duopoly be more accurate for you?
  - robin_reala 10y ago
    Duopolies aren’t problematic in the eyes of the law. On that note, neither are monopolies. The problem comes when a monopoly is leveraged to stop other companies from competing.
- 0xmohit 10y ago
  It might be 13%, but it's a rather loyal user base. Being whimsical about what would or would not appear on the App Store is certainly abusive. -- Somewhat unrelated: https://blog.kapeli.com/apple-removed-dash-from-the-app-store https://blog.kapeli.com/apple-removed-dash-from-the-app-stor...
- lucozade 10y ago
  19.3% market share in France according to this [0]. Not what would normally pass as a monopoly. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/274123/market-share-held-by-smartphone-os-in-france/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/274123/market-share-held...
- geocar 10y ago
  Apple is the single biggest manufacturer with a 41% share of the US market. http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Reports-May-2014-U.S.-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Re...

languagewars 10y ago

I think winning in civil court is less likely than triggering a review and fines by the EU. If I were in Apple's shoes, I would fix this now that Microsoft wont distract anyone from their behavior. Any one of these butterflies could land on the wrong desk.

Daetalus 10y ago

The Law that is being used actually gives power to the French Minister of Economy to cancel the provisions that bring 'déséquilibre significatif entre les droits et obligations des parties'. It can be very fast. It has already been used.