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"I really wish it was more standards compliant :/" uh What? It is and always has been one of the most compliant...

axod 17y ago
Sorry, I probably shouldn't have used the term 'standards compliant'. Don't get me wrong, it's far better than IE, but whereas if you get something working in firefox, it usually works as is in safari/chrome, there's sometimes little quirks in Opera. As a relatively small userbase use Opera, it'd just be nice if it did things exactly the same as firefox/Chrome - layout, scrolling, iframes, etc etc I can't remember specific details, but I often notice weird layout quirks, or issues with scrolling (Not well defined in any standard).
- powrtoch 17y ago
  Traditionally, I think of Opera as the browser not afraid to be truly standards compliant, even if it means little differences between FF/Safari. I have seen examples of this, sorry that I can't find them now. Personally I'm happy to have Opera in this role, because I think it's an important role. If something does need to be fixed "for Opera", it's generally only a tiny CSS change, as opposed to the kinds of structural overhauls IE will make you wrestle with. In short, in the name of standards, I think it would be nice if FF etc did things exactly the same as Opera :)
  - axod 17y ago
    Can opera even do things like border-radius yet?
    - jarek 17y ago
      Yes, as of version 10.50: http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1050/ http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1050/
  - billybob 17y ago
    This isn't about Opera, but just backing up the "renders different != non-compliant" thought - I just fixed a rendering bug in one of my pages that only showed up in Google Chrome. It turned out that Chrome was behaving correctly and that Firefox and IE were not. When I fixed the CSS rule, they were all happy. Sometimes the one who is different is the most correct. Maybe if you satisfy Opera first, you won't have as many problems with the others.
- smallblacksun 17y ago
  By this argument, Firefox/safari/chrome should just copy what IE does, because IE has the biggest market share.
- cakesy 17y ago
  Oh, so you mean the opposite of standards compliant.

axod 17y ago

Sorry, I probably shouldn't have used the term 'standards compliant'. Don't get me wrong, it's far better than IE, but whereas if you get something working in firefox, it usually works as is in safari/chrome, there's sometimes little quirks in Opera. As a relatively small userbase use Opera, it'd just be nice if it did things exactly the same as firefox/Chrome - layout, scrolling, iframes, etc etc I can't remember specific details, but I often notice weird layout quirks, or issues with scrolling (Not well defined in any standard).

powrtoch 17y ago
Traditionally, I think of Opera as the browser not afraid to be truly standards compliant, even if it means little differences between FF/Safari. I have seen examples of this, sorry that I can't find them now. Personally I'm happy to have Opera in this role, because I think it's an important role. If something does need to be fixed "for Opera", it's generally only a tiny CSS change, as opposed to the kinds of structural overhauls IE will make you wrestle with. In short, in the name of standards, I think it would be nice if FF etc did things exactly the same as Opera :)
- axod 17y ago
  Can opera even do things like border-radius yet?
  - jarek 17y ago
    Yes, as of version 10.50: http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1050/ http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/1050/
- billybob 17y ago
  This isn't about Opera, but just backing up the "renders different != non-compliant" thought - I just fixed a rendering bug in one of my pages that only showed up in Google Chrome. It turned out that Chrome was behaving correctly and that Firefox and IE were not. When I fixed the CSS rule, they were all happy. Sometimes the one who is different is the most correct. Maybe if you satisfy Opera first, you won't have as many problems with the others.
smallblacksun 17y ago
By this argument, Firefox/safari/chrome should just copy what IE does, because IE has the biggest market share.
cakesy 17y ago
Oh, so you mean the opposite of standards compliant.