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Actually, greater production is a combination of capital and labor. The Industrial Revolution was from capital investment in machinery that mechanized clothing

Actually, greater production is a combination of capital and labor. The Industrial Revolution was from capital investment in machinery that mechanized clothing production for example. It is wrong for Americans to have their jobs replaced by people who are in this country illegally. It really is as simple as that. People who are in this county illegally shouldn't be able to work at any job according to the law. Meanwhile, the people who have been unfairly unemployed because of these illegal immigrants and not fortunate enough to have their jobs protected from illegal immigrants by state licensure requirements, are suffering as are their families. There are many societal costs when people are unemployed including many medical issues from alcohol and other drug abuse and from children not growing up in a stable environment, something society has to deal with for years to come with increased crime. Illegal immigrants don't have to remain out of the country forever, they simply have to apply for a Visa like every other person who came to this country legally (except of course, Native Americans and Blacks who were brought here as slaves).

davidw 10y ago
So here's the problem. Actually, a couple of them: You can have a "papers, please!" kind of country, or you can have some level of illegal immigration and work. You can't get rid of all illegals without becoming a very, very different kind of place. That said, you do want to try and minimize people living in the shadows. The best way to do that is to make legal immigration cheap and easy, which is currently the exact opposite of what we do in the US. It's basically impossible for most Mexicans to move here unless they already have family. This has all kinds of benefits: 1) people will be more likely to go home because they know they can easily come back 2) they are less likely to be exploited by shady employers 3) it really separates out the people who want to just come and work from people involved in various kinds of illegal and harmful activities.
- davidf18 10y ago
  The number of legal immigrants has risen from 9 million in 1970 (less than 5% of the population) to 43 million today (about 14%), so I'm not certain what one means about it not being easy to immigrate. It is certainly easier than it was. By comparison, the UK which voted for BrExit largely because of the mass influx of immigration from Eastern European countries with labor that competed with British working class for jobs had 0.9 million 20 years ago (about 1.5% of the population) to 3.3 million today (about 5%). Thus, our legal immigration is about 1 in 7 compared with an increase to 1 in 20 in the UK. Our immigrants also mostly compete with working class trades not protected by licensure and other working class jobs. Israel has built a security fence, while not perfect, has certainly decreased the amount of terrorism. I have been there many times and am familiar with the situation. They also have fences around Gaza and separating the border with Lebanon. These fences do work. There should also be some sort of electronic verification system for jobs that goes beyond using illegal SSN's or someone else's SSN. There should also be very large fines for employing someone illegally. Americans deserve to have their jobs and wage rates protected from illegal immigrants and those who hire them. It is so very, very unfair to them and children to let this happen. As things are, thanks to NAFTA and increased trade with China working class jobs are being exported to outside the nation. In addition, other working class jobs are being replaced by automation. We owe it to Americans to help protect their jobs from illegal immigrants, who are here because they are breaking our law.
  - davidw 10y ago
    > I'm not certain what one means about it not being easy to immigrate That demonstrates willful ignorance of the situation: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/02/22/172622730/the-line-for-legal-immigration-is-already-about-4-million-people-long http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/02/22/172622... Doing things the legal way is basically impossible for many, many people. We should make it simple and easy for law-abiding people to come and work in the US.
    - davidf18 10y ago
      > Doing things the legal way is basically impossible for many, many people. But, many, many people, do immigrate to America legally each year. People from all over the globe immigrate to America. Since 1970 there has been a steady growth of immigrants from 9 million or less than 5% of the population to 43 million (legal) immigrants or about 14% of the population. It might require years, but that what other people from other countries do. Also, there are other countries besides the US. Many people immigrate to Canada for example.

davidw 10y ago

So here's the problem. Actually, a couple of them: You can have a "papers, please!" kind of country, or you can have some level of illegal immigration and work. You can't get rid of all illegals without becoming a very, very different kind of place. That said, you do want to try and minimize people living in the shadows. The best way to do that is to make legal immigration cheap and easy, which is currently the exact opposite of what we do in the US. It's basically impossible for most Mexicans to move here unless they already have family. This has all kinds of benefits: 1) people will be more likely to go home because they know they can easily come back 2) they are less likely to be exploited by shady employers 3) it really separates out the people who want to just come and work from people involved in various kinds of illegal and harmful activities.

davidf18 10y ago
The number of legal immigrants has risen from 9 million in 1970 (less than 5% of the population) to 43 million today (about 14%), so I'm not certain what one means about it not being easy to immigrate. It is certainly easier than it was. By comparison, the UK which voted for BrExit largely because of the mass influx of immigration from Eastern European countries with labor that competed with British working class for jobs had 0.9 million 20 years ago (about 1.5% of the population) to 3.3 million today (about 5%). Thus, our legal immigration is about 1 in 7 compared with an increase to 1 in 20 in the UK. Our immigrants also mostly compete with working class trades not protected by licensure and other working class jobs. Israel has built a security fence, while not perfect, has certainly decreased the amount of terrorism. I have been there many times and am familiar with the situation. They also have fences around Gaza and separating the border with Lebanon. These fences do work. There should also be some sort of electronic verification system for jobs that goes beyond using illegal SSN's or someone else's SSN. There should also be very large fines for employing someone illegally. Americans deserve to have their jobs and wage rates protected from illegal immigrants and those who hire them. It is so very, very unfair to them and children to let this happen. As things are, thanks to NAFTA and increased trade with China working class jobs are being exported to outside the nation. In addition, other working class jobs are being replaced by automation. We owe it to Americans to help protect their jobs from illegal immigrants, who are here because they are breaking our law.
- davidw 10y ago
  > I'm not certain what one means about it not being easy to immigrate That demonstrates willful ignorance of the situation: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/02/22/172622730/the-line-for-legal-immigration-is-already-about-4-million-people-long http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/02/22/172622... Doing things the legal way is basically impossible for many, many people. We should make it simple and easy for law-abiding people to come and work in the US.
  - davidf18 10y ago
    > Doing things the legal way is basically impossible for many, many people. But, many, many people, do immigrate to America legally each year. People from all over the globe immigrate to America. Since 1970 there has been a steady growth of immigrants from 9 million or less than 5% of the population to 43 million (legal) immigrants or about 14% of the population. It might require years, but that what other people from other countries do. Also, there are other countries besides the US. Many people immigrate to Canada for example.