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People drink wine to get drunk, not for the flavor no matter what bullshit[0] they tell you. Except a few people with medical conditions same goes for every oth

People drink wine to get drunk, not for the flavor no matter what bullshit[0] they tell you. Except a few people with medical conditions same goes for every other mind altering drug (including a lot of prescription drugs). There is no shame in that. The only shame is in lying to yourself. [0]http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infamous_study_on_wine_tasting.html http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/08/the_most_infamo...

colechristensen 10y ago
Woah there, that's a bit too far. People who tell you they're drinking only for the flavor are probably lying, but just because something has a bit of ethanol in it doesn't mean the taste motivation goes out the window. Proving students aren't very good at describing flavor or detecting tricks doesn't prove your point.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  > People who tell you they're drinking only for the flavor are probably lying That is my point entirely. They may prefer better tasting wine, but taste is a secondary factor to the effects. >Proving students aren't very good at describing flavor or detecting tricks doesn't prove your point. oenology (wine studies) students, If they can't tell a difference what hope does the average consumer have? All that said, enjoy it. We all have vices. Just don't pretend you are somehow better than the guy drinking ripple on his porch.
  - colechristensen 10y ago
    The cocktail I had with dinner was delicious, but I honestly wish it didn't have the effects of alcohol because now instead of making good use of my evening I'm just a bit sleepy and unmotivated. You're getting pretty far off into the weeds insisting that the primary reason to drink anything with a drop of alcohol in it is the alcohol. >If they can't tell a difference what hope does the average consumer have? What kind of students were they? Were they just starting off? How good was the program they were in? How do they compare to professionals? If you _intended_ to make a study to prove your point that wine critics are full of shit, you'd pick the most incompetent wine critics possible. It's pretty solidly true that olfactory senses don't translate into language very well. I can experience really complex flavors and smells but it's more or less impossible for me to share them with words in any way that could actually communicate the flavor to others. If I studied flavor and the language to describe it extensively, I might be able to communicate a flavor to another similarly studied person, but that's about it. Experience of flavor is wholly separate from being able to describe it. And students who are leaning to are _more_ apt to invent flavor descriptions based on what they think is expected. It's pretty easy to trick people, especially by putting them in an environment tailored to deceive. You could draw more conclusions about the ability of suggestion to affect perception than you can about why people drink wine.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> People drink wine to get drunk Plenty of people drink wine, but rarely or never to the extent of getting drunk. Some people who drink even drink (either exclusively or occasionally) de-alcoholized wine. This makes it unlikely that those people are drinking wine to get drunk.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  5 ounces of wine (a single standard glass) is the legal limit for driving federally, after that you are impaired. Unless they are drinking less than that they are experiencing a psychoactive effect even if small. Also when self surveyed people dramatically under report consumption. Considering the side effects of alcohol, why isn't alcohol free wine the majority rather than a insignificant minatory of sales? (I've never even seen it for sale in PA except heavily salted and explicitly for cooking purposes)
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > 5 ounces of wine (a single standard glass) is the legal limit for driving federally No, its not. The limit that the federal government has recently been encouraging states to move to is a 0.05 BAC (Though the higher 0.08 that all states have adopted, in part, IIRC, because of highway funding laws requiring that as the maximum limit, might more accurately be described as the "federal limit", but lets work with 0.05 anyway.) The average adult male weight is about 200 lbs, for which a 0.05 BAC corresponds to about 3 drinks (a 5oz glass of wine is one drink) in a 40 minute period, not a single glass. > Considering the side effects of alcohol, why isn't alcohol free wine the majority rather than a insignificant minatory of sales? Because its more expensive, because it involves more involved process. > (I've never even seen it for sale in PA except heavily salted and explicitly for cooking purposes) I've never seen dealcoholized cooking wine, which makes very little (but not quite no) sense since cooking will already drive off most of the alcohol in wine. But Pennsylvania has, IIRC, fairly atypical regulation of alcohol, which may make both the usual marketing of dealcoholized drinking wines (typically colocated with regular wines in grocery stores, IME) unlikely and (if the restrictions apply to salted cooking wines, not sure what the boundaries are) might make dealcoholized cooking wines more sensible (so that stores that sold cooking ingredients could sell them, rather than the much narrower set of state/licensed wine and spirits stores.

colechristensen 10y ago

Woah there, that's a bit too far. People who tell you they're drinking only for the flavor are probably lying, but just because something has a bit of ethanol in it doesn't mean the taste motivation goes out the window. Proving students aren't very good at describing flavor or detecting tricks doesn't prove your point.

cmdrfred 10y ago
> People who tell you they're drinking only for the flavor are probably lying That is my point entirely. They may prefer better tasting wine, but taste is a secondary factor to the effects. >Proving students aren't very good at describing flavor or detecting tricks doesn't prove your point. oenology (wine studies) students, If they can't tell a difference what hope does the average consumer have? All that said, enjoy it. We all have vices. Just don't pretend you are somehow better than the guy drinking ripple on his porch.
- colechristensen 10y ago
  The cocktail I had with dinner was delicious, but I honestly wish it didn't have the effects of alcohol because now instead of making good use of my evening I'm just a bit sleepy and unmotivated. You're getting pretty far off into the weeds insisting that the primary reason to drink anything with a drop of alcohol in it is the alcohol. >If they can't tell a difference what hope does the average consumer have? What kind of students were they? Were they just starting off? How good was the program they were in? How do they compare to professionals? If you _intended_ to make a study to prove your point that wine critics are full of shit, you'd pick the most incompetent wine critics possible. It's pretty solidly true that olfactory senses don't translate into language very well. I can experience really complex flavors and smells but it's more or less impossible for me to share them with words in any way that could actually communicate the flavor to others. If I studied flavor and the language to describe it extensively, I might be able to communicate a flavor to another similarly studied person, but that's about it. Experience of flavor is wholly separate from being able to describe it. And students who are leaning to are _more_ apt to invent flavor descriptions based on what they think is expected. It's pretty easy to trick people, especially by putting them in an environment tailored to deceive. You could draw more conclusions about the ability of suggestion to affect perception than you can about why people drink wine.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> People drink wine to get drunk Plenty of people drink wine, but rarely or never to the extent of getting drunk. Some people who drink even drink (either exclusively or occasionally) de-alcoholized wine. This makes it unlikely that those people are drinking wine to get drunk.

cmdrfred 10y ago
5 ounces of wine (a single standard glass) is the legal limit for driving federally, after that you are impaired. Unless they are drinking less than that they are experiencing a psychoactive effect even if small. Also when self surveyed people dramatically under report consumption. Considering the side effects of alcohol, why isn't alcohol free wine the majority rather than a insignificant minatory of sales? (I've never even seen it for sale in PA except heavily salted and explicitly for cooking purposes)
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > 5 ounces of wine (a single standard glass) is the legal limit for driving federally No, its not. The limit that the federal government has recently been encouraging states to move to is a 0.05 BAC (Though the higher 0.08 that all states have adopted, in part, IIRC, because of highway funding laws requiring that as the maximum limit, might more accurately be described as the "federal limit", but lets work with 0.05 anyway.) The average adult male weight is about 200 lbs, for which a 0.05 BAC corresponds to about 3 drinks (a 5oz glass of wine is one drink) in a 40 minute period, not a single glass. > Considering the side effects of alcohol, why isn't alcohol free wine the majority rather than a insignificant minatory of sales? Because its more expensive, because it involves more involved process. > (I've never even seen it for sale in PA except heavily salted and explicitly for cooking purposes) I've never seen dealcoholized cooking wine, which makes very little (but not quite no) sense since cooking will already drive off most of the alcohol in wine. But Pennsylvania has, IIRC, fairly atypical regulation of alcohol, which may make both the usual marketing of dealcoholized drinking wines (typically colocated with regular wines in grocery stores, IME) unlikely and (if the restrictions apply to salted cooking wines, not sure what the boundaries are) might make dealcoholized cooking wines more sensible (so that stores that sold cooking ingredients could sell them, rather than the much narrower set of state/licensed wine and spirits stores.