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I don't actively use iCloud. I don't have an iPhone. The only reason I even have an iCloud account is that you need to create one to install security updates

I don't actively use iCloud. I don't have an iPhone. The only reason I even have an iCloud account is that you need to create one to install security updates from the app store. I bet that a lot of people have a stronger ssh key passphrase than the passphrase on their iCloud account. As far as I know I have not enabled iCloud Keychain unless apple decided to turn it on by default. The fact that apple could be protecting my ssh keys that I actually care about with the password for an iCloud account that I DON'T EVEN WANT is fucking stupid.

kccqzy 10y ago
You don't have to create an iCloud account to install security updates. Just run `softwareupdate -i -a` from the Terminal. Moreover, you are confusing an iCloud account and an iTunes store/app store account. You can be logged in to an App Store yet have iCloud turned off.
- eridius 10y ago
  Also, even if you do have an iCloud account, you can still separately configure whether or not iCloud Keychain is enabled. If it's not enabled, there's no keychain syncing. And IIRC, it's not enabled by default.
- justinsaccount 10y ago
  > You don't have to create an iCloud account to install security updates How nice of it to tell you that while they are forcing you to create an account. > Just run `software update -i -a` from the Terminal. Looks like it is `softwareupdate -a -i`. > Moreover, you are confusing an iCloud account and an iTunes store/app store account What is the difference? I do not have an iTunes account. I've never even started iTunes. I have the iCloud account the software made me create in order to install updates.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    The difference is that you maybe should learn what you are using before you complain about it inaccurately.
    - justinsaccount 10y ago
      "I don't know the answer, but I'm going to insult you anyway".
      - justinsaccount 10y ago
        I guess it's easier to insult people and down vote than to actually respond. Stay classy. I found the answer though, from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201762 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201762: "Your Apple ID is the account that you use to access Apple services like the iTunes Store, Apple Music, iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime and more." So no, I am not "confusing an iCloud account and an iTunes store/app store account" because there is no such thing as either. The account the software forced me to create in order to install updates is an "Apple ID" and at some point used that to sign me into iCloud (which I have never used). I doubt I am the only person that has no interest in ever using iCloud but somehow has iCloud configured because of confusing or misleading UI patterns used OS X.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >"I don't know the answer, but I'm going to insult you anyway". The parent already answered your points.

kccqzy 10y ago

You don't have to create an iCloud account to install security updates. Just run `softwareupdate -i -a` from the Terminal. Moreover, you are confusing an iCloud account and an iTunes store/app store account. You can be logged in to an App Store yet have iCloud turned off.

eridius 10y ago
Also, even if you do have an iCloud account, you can still separately configure whether or not iCloud Keychain is enabled. If it's not enabled, there's no keychain syncing. And IIRC, it's not enabled by default.
justinsaccount 10y ago
> You don't have to create an iCloud account to install security updates How nice of it to tell you that while they are forcing you to create an account. > Just run `software update -i -a` from the Terminal. Looks like it is `softwareupdate -a -i`. > Moreover, you are confusing an iCloud account and an iTunes store/app store account What is the difference? I do not have an iTunes account. I've never even started iTunes. I have the iCloud account the software made me create in order to install updates.
- coldtea 10y ago
  The difference is that you maybe should learn what you are using before you complain about it inaccurately.
  - justinsaccount 10y ago
    "I don't know the answer, but I'm going to insult you anyway".
    - justinsaccount 10y ago
      I guess it's easier to insult people and down vote than to actually respond. Stay classy. I found the answer though, from https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201762 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201762: "Your Apple ID is the account that you use to access Apple services like the iTunes Store, Apple Music, iCloud, iMessage, FaceTime and more." So no, I am not "confusing an iCloud account and an iTunes store/app store account" because there is no such thing as either. The account the software forced me to create in order to install updates is an "Apple ID" and at some point used that to sign me into iCloud (which I have never used). I doubt I am the only person that has no interest in ever using iCloud but somehow has iCloud configured because of confusing or misleading UI patterns used OS X.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >"I don't know the answer, but I'm going to insult you anyway". The parent already answered your points.