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It wasn't an equation. It was a question to illustrate the other extreme of the dialectic. My point was there's two lives in the balance -- conservatives want t
by programmarchy 10y ago
It wasn't an equation. It was a question to illustrate the other extreme of the dialectic. My point was there's two lives in the balance -- conservatives want to protect the lives of the unborn, not "control women".
- unprepare 10y agoRight but it's a terrible analogy for this discussion, it literally does 'control women' by forcing them to carry a baby for 9 months. How is forcing someone to do something they dont want to do, not 'controlling'? Whether that is there motivation or not is up for discussion, but it explicitly does control women. Whether the motivation for the hijab is to control women could also be debated, but that is beside the point that it /does/ control women. Whether there is another life in the balance also does not change the fact that it explicitly controls a woman's body. I'm not taking a stance here on whether abortion should be legal or whether it represents a homicide of some kind, im simply stating that it does in fact control a womans body, regardless of the intent.
- programmarchy 10y agoIt wasn't an analogy either. > How is forcing someone to do something they dont want to do, not 'controlling'? I think you've basically made my point. According to your definition, handcuffing a woman to prevent her from murdering an innocent adult with an axe is also 'controlling' her body. I hope you'd agree that is an acceptable use of force in order to protect a life. Now re-read radmuzom's comment and I think you'll see the absurdity of his comparison, which is what I wanted to point out.
- unprepare 10y agoNo, your point is excessively clear - that if forcing a woman to carry a child for nine months and go through the birthing process is controlling a woman, then so is arresting someone for committing a crime. Its a plainly ridiculous point to make, regardless of whether you believe abortion is murder. Pregnancy simply isnt the same thing as criminal punishment. Forcing a woman to go through a pregnancy would pretty clearly be a cruel or unusual punishment. Or do you believe that going through a pregnancy should be the punishment for other crimes as well?
- programmarchy 10y agoThe point is there is another life at stake, the child's. You seem to keep ignoring that point. There is a balance to be struck between what a woman wants and the life of the child. Do you advocate third trimester abortion, even for a healthy fetus without complications?
- unprepare 10y agoyou are presuming my stance on your pet issue and ignoring the actual discussion completely. if you want to argue about abortion take it elsewhere.
- programmarchy 10y agoSeems like you won't stand by the logical conclusion of the argument you've been making. Terminating a viable pregnancy is murder.
- conjectures 10y agoWhy not ban condoms too? They prevent unborn people from reaching zygote stage.
- programmarchy 10y agoBut only unborn people who have not yet been conceived. I suppose I'd concede that people who don't exist don't have rights :)
- conjectures 10y agoHow do you know they don't exist? Surely they're a person consisting of two gamete cells, which happen to be in different places?