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As Iranian , I must say, you are so naive if you think people who holds the power in Iran genuinely believe in something. They are professional politicians. The
by 0xFFC 10y ago
As Iranian , I must say, you are so naive if you think people who holds the power in Iran genuinely believe in something. They are professional politicians. They know what are they doing, and they don't give fuck about Islam. Just search and look how they treated with traditional religious people in Iran (religious people who believes power and religion should be separate).
Actually this new generation of politicians (I mean Khomeini and after him) they are pretty good in changing old rules when they realize they are in losing side of the battle and not changing that rule will hurt they public figure in long run. Let me give you an instance, there is fuck load of hadith about chess itself being dirtier than alcohol (which punishment for it is death they catch you drunk 3 time), which in my opinion pretty absurd, like rest of religious beliefs. But Khomeini realized people will ask in long run what is dirty about chess ? And because it is so obvious that it is absurd, they changed the rule around 25 years ago.
My point is there is distance between something like hijab, alcohol, betting and something like chess. The idiots (mullahs) can justify (and they are aware of this fact) hijab for simple ordinary rural people (which is their only base in country other than people who earn money from this corrupt regime), but they cannot justify that even for naive people in rural area what is wrong about chess.
lets be honest, they don't give fuck about some bunch -not all of them, really small portion, I say it from my experience, right now I am student in Iran and I do regularly visit many universities in country- of student in university who shout and fight back for their rights, they would suppress them like lollipop if they try really hurt regime in any serious manner. If pressure become serious they would drop hijab rule in a day.
They may show to you they are 100% firm about their beliefs, but believe me when they realize just 1% danger (serious threat to regime nature, they don't give fuck about some chess championship tournament, what would happen? Tournament will cancel ? I bet the actual power in Iran would even be more happy if tournament gets cancelled), they would change their most basic rule if they can find a way to justify themselves to their supporters.
- microcolonel 10y agoNot to get too presumptuous as an outsider; but it seems like a political system is part of Islam. It certainly is prescribed in scripture and described through Muhammad, even if some or many disagree. That said, Iranian government doesn't seem to be running a "proper theocracy", so I guess that point is moot.
- 0xFFC 10y agoYeah , I agree, the whole fucking religion built on idea of ruling and forcing. Some people maybe would say something nice, which is absolute lie. I felt the Islam with my flesh and blood(and believe, and do your research too, Shia version of Islam is much more rational version of Islam than Sunnis or Wahhabi, I emphasize this point. Despite the western media's propaganda.). Because they basically ruined me and people's like me life's. At the very core, Islam is about killing and forcing. P.S. I am not saying other religions are better, they have done their fair amount of killing in their time. But west overcome the barrier, sadly middle East has not.
- eganist 10y agoAlso as an Iranian (which means nothing in the grand scheme of this conversation, which is precisely why I'm invoking my ethnic background), I stand by my statement because in the end, a religious commitment to an idea--see what I did there?--can help a person rationalize something completely backwards. If you believe you have power by God's hand or by the hand of any other deity, you will justify keeping it through whatever means necessary because the circuitry involved in decision-making is not the same circuitry involved in reason.
- 0xFFC 10y agoI do agree with your point. I believe there is nothing contrary about our points. My point was the rulers in Iran don't give fuck about any ideology and they are trying hard to use religious leverage in their benefits. But if I understood your point correctly, I do 100% agree. Believe in something as dangerous as God , will give people illusion (they will justify in their mind) of controling of other people. Because at the very end they think they are better than others. Update : I think there is no way to know which analysis is correct. Because at the very end in both analysis regime will do whatever they can to keep power. The only way to find out is to go through their mind. Which we cannot. In both analysis regime will do whatever they can. In my case they don't believe in any ideology just because of the power(they changed so many rules in Islam and they will change). In your case (if I understand correctly) they will try every thing because their religion gave them permission to do everything to keep power. If I should give specific answer, I would not say you are wrong. I would just say there is no way to find out.
- eganist 10y ago> Believe in something as dangerous as God , will give people illusion (they will justify in their mind) of controling of other people. Because at the very end they think they are better than others. :) Edit: > If I should give specific answer, I would not say you are wrong. I would just say there is no way to find out. I agree with this as well. We're all speculating, and in the end, it all manifests the same way.