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The init system itself is more or less the same as it was a couple years ago. They have, however, written other daemons which are maintained in the same reposit

The init system itself is more or less the same as it was a couple years ago. They have, however, written other daemons which are maintained in the same repository. All except two of them are optional. For example, systemd-timesyncd (controlled with timedatectl) is an excellent NTP system, and after it's been stable for a few years I'll use it with public NTP servers. It takes just one command to get up and running and it keeps your clocks synchronized, what's not to like?

qb45 10y ago
OpenNTPD is an extremely easy to use time client that has been around for years. And considering systemd's vs OpenBSD's track record I suppose it's also less likely to get you owned or set your time to Jan 1st 1970 because of some bullshit like "who could have predicted that in 2016 networks are still so bad that UDP can deliver packets out of order". And, btw, why should an init system come bundled with a time client or a time client bundled with an init system? When can I expect systemd-solitaire?
- microcolonel 10y ago
  > And, btw, why should an init system come bundled with a time client or a time client bundled with an init system? That's entirely up to distribution packagers. 39k bytes and you get a dead-simple working ntp client daemon (no server) which requires literally no setup. If the distro packagers want to split it out or not include it at all, they can do that and the build system is set up to make that easy. So it really depends on how you mean "bundled", it's good and there's basically no reason not to include it in the package. I also figure it's a bit of a straw man to hypothesize a bug which hasn't occurred. NTP, as far as I'm aware, is mostly static structures on the wire. If there's a problem with the client, it's most likely your clock will just be wrong; bad as that is.
- the_why_of_y 10y ago
  > And, btw, why should an init system come bundled with a time client or a time client bundled with an init system? http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sbin/init/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sbin/init/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.sbin/ntpd/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.sbin/ntpd/ Alas there is no OpenBSD-solitaire yet, but who really needs that if you can play "Hunt the Wumpus" instead: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/games/wump/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/games/wump/
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    You could just as well has linked to the debian package repository. Seriously, are we likening systemd to a distro now?!
    - the_why_of_y 10y ago
      OpenBSD is UNIX, and UNIX is an operating system, not a "distro".
      - digi_owl 10y ago
        And a init is neither.
      - deleted 10y ago
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qb45 10y ago

OpenNTPD is an extremely easy to use time client that has been around for years. And considering systemd's vs OpenBSD's track record I suppose it's also less likely to get you owned or set your time to Jan 1st 1970 because of some bullshit like "who could have predicted that in 2016 networks are still so bad that UDP can deliver packets out of order". And, btw, why should an init system come bundled with a time client or a time client bundled with an init system? When can I expect systemd-solitaire?

microcolonel 10y ago
> And, btw, why should an init system come bundled with a time client or a time client bundled with an init system? That's entirely up to distribution packagers. 39k bytes and you get a dead-simple working ntp client daemon (no server) which requires literally no setup. If the distro packagers want to split it out or not include it at all, they can do that and the build system is set up to make that easy. So it really depends on how you mean "bundled", it's good and there's basically no reason not to include it in the package. I also figure it's a bit of a straw man to hypothesize a bug which hasn't occurred. NTP, as far as I'm aware, is mostly static structures on the wire. If there's a problem with the client, it's most likely your clock will just be wrong; bad as that is.
the_why_of_y 10y ago
> And, btw, why should an init system come bundled with a time client or a time client bundled with an init system? http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sbin/init/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sbin/init/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.sbin/ntpd/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.sbin/ntpd/ Alas there is no OpenBSD-solitaire yet, but who really needs that if you can play "Hunt the Wumpus" instead: http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/games/wump/ http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/games/wump/
- digi_owl 10y ago
  You could just as well has linked to the debian package repository. Seriously, are we likening systemd to a distro now?!
  - the_why_of_y 10y ago
    OpenBSD is UNIX, and UNIX is an operating system, not a "distro".
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      And a init is neither.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]