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I wish apple gave me a fair choice. I do prefer Google maps but i keep also using stupid apple maps because it keeps coming up.

notyourwork 10y ago
I agree but but worry at this point that it would be viewed as conceding to Google. My problem with iOS has always been the forced integrations you cannot decouple.
Razengan 10y ago
As pointed out by another comment here [1], Google doesn't give you a "fair choice" in these things (beyond the ability to install competitors' offerings as separate apps) either: > Google's MADA agreement forbids OEMs from making anything but Google Now/Voice Search the default digital assistant on Android devices with Google Play. > Google is telling it's hardware partners for Google Home and Google Cast they're forbidden from supporting competing digital assistants. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533
- tf2manu994 10y ago
  Yes, but at least on Android you can change your defaults. On iOS, you cannot.
  - Razengan 10y ago
    Ah yes, iOS doesn't let you do that, but third-party apps can choose to open stuff in the Chrome/YouTube/etc. apps if they want to.
    - Klathmon 10y ago
      I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.
      - SysArchitect 10y ago
        Thank fuck. Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. Next day: open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN. Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.
        Klathmon 10y ago
        It doesn't need to follow Windows or Android's UX, but it should be allowed. Something like a settings menu where you can control the default apps for many "intents" (that's the android terminology, not sure what else to call it). Choose an app for email, sms, "instant messaging", browser, navigation, phone, etc... Don't let individual apps change anything, and if you want don't even let them prompt you to change something. That last part can be enforced by appstore guidelines. If apple does this, i'd switch overnight. And as someone that is about as far away from the apple ecosystem as you can be, i'd probably end up using many of the apple "things" over time. Let their first party apps stand on their own. I have no qualms with having theirs be the default, and it honestly doesn't even bother me if they aren't un-installable, but let me change my defaults!
        pawadu 10y ago
        > Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. This is NOT how it works on android and WP
        drzaiusapelord 10y ago
        Android asks once, right after a new app is installed that has the ability to be default handler for that action. There's a slight annoyance factor here, but its taken care of quickly and its a lot easier to see this menu pop-up than dig through settings to manually handle what app controls what. Meanwhile on my ipad, I feel like Apple is making all the choices and I just have to deal with it. This is the biggest difference between Apple and Android for me. My Android devices have the apps I like and 'just work' when launched or whatever. Apple forcibly opens the Apple apps and I need to run down my screens of installed apps to find what I actually want to run. I don't know how in this day and age I can't choose my default handlers of a product I own.
  - elmigranto 10y ago
    > On iOS, you cannot. You can remove almost every default app from iOS 10, including Maps.
    - Natanael_L 10y ago
      ... And then not be able to set another app as default.
- distances 10y ago
  I hope the recent EU probe into this [1] would help the situation. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092
- aRationalMoose 10y ago
  So, will Samsung no longer develop on Android if they seem to be moving into the AI assistant space themselves...?

notyourwork 10y ago

I agree but but worry at this point that it would be viewed as conceding to Google. My problem with iOS has always been the forced integrations you cannot decouple.

Razengan 10y ago

As pointed out by another comment here [1], Google doesn't give you a "fair choice" in these things (beyond the ability to install competitors' offerings as separate apps) either: > Google's MADA agreement forbids OEMs from making anything but Google Now/Voice Search the default digital assistant on Android devices with Google Play. > Google is telling it's hardware partners for Google Home and Google Cast they're forbidden from supporting competing digital assistants. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533

tf2manu994 10y ago
Yes, but at least on Android you can change your defaults. On iOS, you cannot.
- Razengan 10y ago
  Ah yes, iOS doesn't let you do that, but third-party apps can choose to open stuff in the Chrome/YouTube/etc. apps if they want to.
  - Klathmon 10y ago
    I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.
    - SysArchitect 10y ago
      Thank fuck. Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. Next day: open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN. Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.
      - Klathmon 10y ago
        It doesn't need to follow Windows or Android's UX, but it should be allowed. Something like a settings menu where you can control the default apps for many "intents" (that's the android terminology, not sure what else to call it). Choose an app for email, sms, "instant messaging", browser, navigation, phone, etc... Don't let individual apps change anything, and if you want don't even let them prompt you to change something. That last part can be enforced by appstore guidelines. If apple does this, i'd switch overnight. And as someone that is about as far away from the apple ecosystem as you can be, i'd probably end up using many of the apple "things" over time. Let their first party apps stand on their own. I have no qualms with having theirs be the default, and it honestly doesn't even bother me if they aren't un-installable, but let me change my defaults!
      - pawadu 10y ago
        > Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. This is NOT how it works on android and WP
      - drzaiusapelord 10y ago
        Android asks once, right after a new app is installed that has the ability to be default handler for that action. There's a slight annoyance factor here, but its taken care of quickly and its a lot easier to see this menu pop-up than dig through settings to manually handle what app controls what. Meanwhile on my ipad, I feel like Apple is making all the choices and I just have to deal with it. This is the biggest difference between Apple and Android for me. My Android devices have the apps I like and 'just work' when launched or whatever. Apple forcibly opens the Apple apps and I need to run down my screens of installed apps to find what I actually want to run. I don't know how in this day and age I can't choose my default handlers of a product I own.
- elmigranto 10y ago
  > On iOS, you cannot. You can remove almost every default app from iOS 10, including Maps.
  - Natanael_L 10y ago
    ... And then not be able to set another app as default.
distances 10y ago
I hope the recent EU probe into this [1] would help the situation. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092
aRationalMoose 10y ago
So, will Samsung no longer develop on Android if they seem to be moving into the AI assistant space themselves...?