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> Just look at Google maps. Thousand times better than the default Apple maps No it isn't, they are basically the same for 90% of users.

by Steko 10y ago

davidcgl 10y ago
Map data and quality varies depending on your location.
the_mitsuhiko 10y ago
I wish apple gave me a fair choice. I do prefer Google maps but i keep also using stupid apple maps because it keeps coming up.
- notyourwork 10y ago
  I agree but but worry at this point that it would be viewed as conceding to Google. My problem with iOS has always been the forced integrations you cannot decouple.
- Razengan 10y ago
  As pointed out by another comment here [1], Google doesn't give you a "fair choice" in these things (beyond the ability to install competitors' offerings as separate apps) either: > Google's MADA agreement forbids OEMs from making anything but Google Now/Voice Search the default digital assistant on Android devices with Google Play. > Google is telling it's hardware partners for Google Home and Google Cast they're forbidden from supporting competing digital assistants. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533
  - tf2manu994 10y ago
    Yes, but at least on Android you can change your defaults. On iOS, you cannot.
    - Razengan 10y ago
      Ah yes, iOS doesn't let you do that, but third-party apps can choose to open stuff in the Chrome/YouTube/etc. apps if they want to.
      - Klathmon 10y ago
        I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.
        SysArchitect 10y ago
        Thank fuck. Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. Next day: open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN. Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.
        Klathmon 10y ago
        It doesn't need to follow Windows or Android's UX, but it should be allowed. Something like a settings menu where you can control the default apps for many "intents" (that's the android terminology, not sure what else to call it). Choose an app for email, sms, "instant messaging", browser, navigation, phone, etc... Don't let individual apps change anything, and if you want don't even let them prompt you to change something. That last part can be enforced by appstore guidelines. If apple does this, i'd switch overnight. And as someone that is about as far away from the apple ecosystem as you can be, i'd probably end up using many of the apple "things" over time. Let their first party apps stand on their own. I have no qualms with having theirs be the default, and it honestly doesn't even bother me if they aren't un-installable, but let me change my defaults!
        pawadu 10y ago
        > Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. This is NOT how it works on android and WP
  - distances 10y ago
    I hope the recent EU probe into this [1] would help the situation. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092
  - aRationalMoose 10y ago
    So, will Samsung no longer develop on Android if they seem to be moving into the AI assistant space themselves...?
cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
I'm not talking about the content. Talking about the user experience. It does suck, and I'm not even an Apple hater. I have given up on using the default map for searching anything. Of course the map content itself is the same, but what good is a mobile map if you search for a coffee shop around you in New York and it gives you some grocery store in Scandinavia? I would be forgiving if this happened rarely, but to me it happened very often. I have 4 iDevices and they all have the same problem. This never happens with Google maps.
- chipotle_coyote 10y ago
  While this is a war of anecdotes, I can safely say this has never happened to me. If I search for coffee shops around me, I see...coffee shops around me. The new redesign of maps for iOS 10 has -- at least to me -- a much better UX than the current Google Maps app does, also.
  - xenobioticants 10y ago
    To pile on: all of you guys reside in the US. Google Maps its data is much more up to date compared to Apple Maps in most of the world. Navigating in SE-Asia with Gmaps is a breeze. Apple Maps constantly sent me to places, only to have the current address owner (and Google Maps) tell me that the business I was searching for moved. Same in Europe. Doesn't hurt that Google Maps has public transit integrated pretty much around the globe. Apple Maps currently only has that in 10 cities.. screw that noise.
    - obmelvin 10y ago
      Yup, outside of the US is definitely where Google Maps data shines. Obviously just another anecdotal experience, but I've had Google instantly find places in Italy that Apple said didn't exist or gave a location very far from what we were looking for.
    - mcintyre1994 10y ago
      I just checked, Apple can't find me transit directions from my city (a single one stop train ride from London) and a major London train/tube station. Nor can it find me bus directions around my city. I don't remember when Google added this stuff, 5+ years ago?
newscracker 10y ago
In my experience, Apple Maps is almost a decade behind Google Maps in many places outside the U.S. and a few other countries. Google Maps beats Apple Maps not only in the map content, but also by having live traffic indications and turn-by-turn navigation. They're not even in the same league to compare elsewhere.
- Retric 10y ago
  I get live traffic indications and turn-by-turn direction from apple's maps. The first version sucked, but that's like complaining about windows ME it's not really relevant any more.
Veratyr 10y ago
Tell that to my Uber drivers who always take me to bizarre places due to Apple Maps directions.

> Just look at Google maps. Thousand times better than the default Apple maps No it isn't, they are basically the same for 90% of users.

by Steko 10y ago

> Just look at Google maps. Thousand times better than the default Apple maps No it isn't, they are basically the same for 90% of users.

davidcgl 10y ago

Map data and quality varies depending on your location.

the_mitsuhiko 10y ago

I wish apple gave me a fair choice. I do prefer Google maps but i keep also using stupid apple maps because it keeps coming up.

notyourwork 10y ago
I agree but but worry at this point that it would be viewed as conceding to Google. My problem with iOS has always been the forced integrations you cannot decouple.
Razengan 10y ago
As pointed out by another comment here [1], Google doesn't give you a "fair choice" in these things (beyond the ability to install competitors' offerings as separate apps) either: > Google's MADA agreement forbids OEMs from making anything but Google Now/Voice Search the default digital assistant on Android devices with Google Play. > Google is telling it's hardware partners for Google Home and Google Cast they're forbidden from supporting competing digital assistants. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12649533
- tf2manu994 10y ago
  Yes, but at least on Android you can change your defaults. On iOS, you cannot.
  - Razengan 10y ago
    Ah yes, iOS doesn't let you do that, but third-party apps can choose to open stuff in the Chrome/YouTube/etc. apps if they want to.
    - Klathmon 10y ago
      I'm sorry but thats not good enough. On Android I can make a new email client, and overnight it can become the default email client for everyone that installs it. On iOS I would need to convince most large apps to allow me as an option before it would work. Not being able to do this is basically the last thing keeping me off of iOS at this point.
      - SysArchitect 10y ago
        Thank fuck. Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. Next day: open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: ahhh, NOT AGAIN. Or have we forgotten how annoying it is that browsers all seem to do that all the damn time.
        Klathmon 10y ago
        It doesn't need to follow Windows or Android's UX, but it should be allowed. Something like a settings menu where you can control the default apps for many "intents" (that's the android terminology, not sure what else to call it). Choose an app for email, sms, "instant messaging", browser, navigation, phone, etc... Don't let individual apps change anything, and if you want don't even let them prompt you to change something. That last part can be enforced by appstore guidelines. If apple does this, i'd switch overnight. And as someone that is about as far away from the apple ecosystem as you can be, i'd probably end up using many of the apple "things" over time. Let their first party apps stand on their own. I have no qualms with having theirs be the default, and it honestly doesn't even bother me if they aren't un-installable, but let me change my defaults!
        pawadu 10y ago
        > Open some app: Would you like me to be the default for X? Me: no thanks. This is NOT how it works on android and WP
- distances 10y ago
  I hope the recent EU probe into this [1] would help the situation. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12618092
- aRationalMoose 10y ago
  So, will Samsung no longer develop on Android if they seem to be moving into the AI assistant space themselves...?

cocktailpeanuts 10y ago

I'm not talking about the content. Talking about the user experience. It does suck, and I'm not even an Apple hater. I have given up on using the default map for searching anything. Of course the map content itself is the same, but what good is a mobile map if you search for a coffee shop around you in New York and it gives you some grocery store in Scandinavia? I would be forgiving if this happened rarely, but to me it happened very often. I have 4 iDevices and they all have the same problem. This never happens with Google maps.

chipotle_coyote 10y ago
While this is a war of anecdotes, I can safely say this has never happened to me. If I search for coffee shops around me, I see...coffee shops around me. The new redesign of maps for iOS 10 has -- at least to me -- a much better UX than the current Google Maps app does, also.
- xenobioticants 10y ago
  To pile on: all of you guys reside in the US. Google Maps its data is much more up to date compared to Apple Maps in most of the world. Navigating in SE-Asia with Gmaps is a breeze. Apple Maps constantly sent me to places, only to have the current address owner (and Google Maps) tell me that the business I was searching for moved. Same in Europe. Doesn't hurt that Google Maps has public transit integrated pretty much around the globe. Apple Maps currently only has that in 10 cities.. screw that noise.
  - obmelvin 10y ago
    Yup, outside of the US is definitely where Google Maps data shines. Obviously just another anecdotal experience, but I've had Google instantly find places in Italy that Apple said didn't exist or gave a location very far from what we were looking for.
  - mcintyre1994 10y ago
    I just checked, Apple can't find me transit directions from my city (a single one stop train ride from London) and a major London train/tube station. Nor can it find me bus directions around my city. I don't remember when Google added this stuff, 5+ years ago?

newscracker 10y ago

In my experience, Apple Maps is almost a decade behind Google Maps in many places outside the U.S. and a few other countries. Google Maps beats Apple Maps not only in the map content, but also by having live traffic indications and turn-by-turn navigation. They're not even in the same league to compare elsewhere.

Retric 10y ago
I get live traffic indications and turn-by-turn direction from apple's maps. The first version sucked, but that's like complaining about windows ME it's not really relevant any more.

Veratyr 10y ago

Tell that to my Uber drivers who always take me to bizarre places due to Apple Maps directions.