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How does one find the magical line with food whereby doing millennia of untargeted poorly-understood genetic engineering is what nature intended? Does it only b

How does one find the magical line with food whereby doing millennia of untargeted poorly-understood genetic engineering is what nature intended? Does it only become artificial when we get good at it? I think I have too much of a scientific bent to understand the religious reasoning involved.

istorical 10y ago
You seem to be conflating 'GMO' with 'organic'. Organic food is more about avoiding pesticide residue, artificial hormones or antibiotics, etc. And if you don't find things like carcinogens or endocrine disruptors scientific then I'm sorry to tell you that you're underinformed.
- jcranmer 10y ago
  Uh, organic foods DO have ample pesticides used on them. Generally more pesticides, and more toxic pesticides, in fact.
  - istorical 10y ago
    "Organic foods" is an idea. Organic foods in practice may often fail to live up to their ambition though, you're correct.
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- ptaipale 10y ago
  "Organic" food is not about avoiding pesticide residue; it is about using pesticides approved by certifying parties and paying for this certification. Avoiding hormones and antibiotics is more relevant. Carcinogens are everywhere.
jcranmer 10y ago
It's easy. If it comes from a highly-regulated industry requiring substantial investment in safety and efficacy studies to get anything to market, then all of those studies are clearly lies and everything is from the spawn of Satan. If it comes from an industry which law prevents any agency from regulating any claims of safety and efficacy and that can't be bothered to actually put the listed ingredients in their products, then everything they say is gospel truth and there is absolutely no harm. I would say it's a simple everything-corporate-is-evil philosophy, but there are some pretty big corporations behind the alternative medicine/organic farming stuff that are good at hiding the fact that they're big corporations.

istorical 10y ago

You seem to be conflating 'GMO' with 'organic'. Organic food is more about avoiding pesticide residue, artificial hormones or antibiotics, etc. And if you don't find things like carcinogens or endocrine disruptors scientific then I'm sorry to tell you that you're underinformed.

jcranmer 10y ago
Uh, organic foods DO have ample pesticides used on them. Generally more pesticides, and more toxic pesticides, in fact.
- istorical 10y ago
  "Organic foods" is an idea. Organic foods in practice may often fail to live up to their ambition though, you're correct.
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ptaipale 10y ago
"Organic" food is not about avoiding pesticide residue; it is about using pesticides approved by certifying parties and paying for this certification. Avoiding hormones and antibiotics is more relevant. Carcinogens are everywhere.

jcranmer 10y ago

It's easy. If it comes from a highly-regulated industry requiring substantial investment in safety and efficacy studies to get anything to market, then all of those studies are clearly lies and everything is from the spawn of Satan. If it comes from an industry which law prevents any agency from regulating any claims of safety and efficacy and that can't be bothered to actually put the listed ingredients in their products, then everything they say is gospel truth and there is absolutely no harm. I would say it's a simple everything-corporate-is-evil philosophy, but there are some pretty big corporations behind the alternative medicine/organic farming stuff that are good at hiding the fact that they're big corporations.