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I don't get why people downvote this comment, it is factually correct. You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else. I

I don't get why people downvote this comment, it is factually correct. You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else. I don't like giving Apple a cut but I recognise that it is their property and I cannot dictate that Apple has to change their rules to accommodate me.

zeveb 10y ago
> You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else. An iPhone-owner's phone is not Apple's platform: it's its owner's platform. It is not Apple's property once money has been exchanged for the phone.
- DominikR 10y ago
  Now read again what he wrote: > From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much. Is it not clear that he is talking about the 30% cut that Apple takes for distributing apps on their app store? Do you own the app store if you buy an iPhone? Is it this what you are saying?
  - zeveb 10y ago
    > Do you own the app store if you buy an iPhone? Is that what you are saying? No, I'm saying that if I bought an iPhone, then it would be my right to install software written by anyone I pleased on it. I'm also saying that any software developer who wishes to has a right to write software for that putative iPhone. Apple simply isn't a party to such transactions.
    - DominikR 10y ago
      You can jailbreak it and install whatever you want. But Apples app store has rules to primarily make Apple profit and also create an ecosystem with certain standards that Apple believes users would appreciate. (and judging by the sales numbers average users do) You have the right to do with your property as you please, but what you really want is that Apple changes their product so it's easier for you to install what you like. You simply do not have this right. This limitation is well known and advertised so you should have known before you bought an iPhone, and even if you didn't - you can return the iPhone and get your money back.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >An iPhone-owner's phone is not Apple's platform: it's its owner's platform. It is not Apple's property once money has been exchanged for the phone The phone, the physical device, is yours. You can put it in the oven if you like, or crash it with a steamroller. The platform remains Apple's. In the same way that when you buy a subscription from Netflix you don't suddenly own their network and dictate terms.
  - kefka 10y ago
    And all I want to do is to run arbitrary binaries on a device I own. Hmm. Apple prevents me from that. Seems more of a rental agreement, than outright purchase.

zeveb 10y ago

> You are not entitled to do whatever you feel is right on the platform of someone else. An iPhone-owner's phone is not Apple's platform: it's its owner's platform. It is not Apple's property once money has been exchanged for the phone.

DominikR 10y ago
Now read again what he wrote: > From what I understand, Apple doesn't force anyone. It's up to them to use it or not. They can always NOT deliver apps for iOS if they think 30% is too much. Is it not clear that he is talking about the 30% cut that Apple takes for distributing apps on their app store? Do you own the app store if you buy an iPhone? Is it this what you are saying?
- zeveb 10y ago
  > Do you own the app store if you buy an iPhone? Is that what you are saying? No, I'm saying that if I bought an iPhone, then it would be my right to install software written by anyone I pleased on it. I'm also saying that any software developer who wishes to has a right to write software for that putative iPhone. Apple simply isn't a party to such transactions.
  - DominikR 10y ago
    You can jailbreak it and install whatever you want. But Apples app store has rules to primarily make Apple profit and also create an ecosystem with certain standards that Apple believes users would appreciate. (and judging by the sales numbers average users do) You have the right to do with your property as you please, but what you really want is that Apple changes their product so it's easier for you to install what you like. You simply do not have this right. This limitation is well known and advertised so you should have known before you bought an iPhone, and even if you didn't - you can return the iPhone and get your money back.
coldtea 10y ago
>An iPhone-owner's phone is not Apple's platform: it's its owner's platform. It is not Apple's property once money has been exchanged for the phone The phone, the physical device, is yours. You can put it in the oven if you like, or crash it with a steamroller. The platform remains Apple's. In the same way that when you buy a subscription from Netflix you don't suddenly own their network and dictate terms.
- kefka 10y ago
  And all I want to do is to run arbitrary binaries on a device I own. Hmm. Apple prevents me from that. Seems more of a rental agreement, than outright purchase.