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Why not both?

vkou 10y ago
Because we have massive police abuse right there in the open, and nothing is done about it. And not for lack of evidence! If the city won't deal with this problem, what makes anyone think that of all things, cameras will remove any roadblocks? Without serious interest in tackling police abuse, cameras are a feel-good placebo. Eric Garner was killed on video. Exactly what has been done about that? Nothing and nothing?
- jonlucc 10y ago
  Last night, the candidates for Vice President had a minutes-long discussion about community policing and implicit bias. To say that nothing individual incidents had no effect is to miss the forest for the trees.
  - vkou 10y ago
    Eric Garner's death certainly had an impact across the country - but one place where it didn't was the NYPD. This is precisely why we can't have both. I have the feeling that body cameras are used as a smoke-and-mirror diversion, by organizations that aren't committed to change.
  - e40 10y ago
    That's called pandering. Other than that, nothing has changed.
- chimeracoder 10y ago
  > Eric Garner was killed on video. Exactly what has been done about that? Nothing and nothing? Not quite true - there was one person who was charged (and convicted). Two days ago, the person who filmed Garner's death was just sentenced to 4 years in prison, for charges which many believe were in retaliation for filming the video[0][1][2]. > Stanley Cohen, a New-York based lawyer and former social worker who in the 1980s held community cohesion sessions with the city's police departments, said that Orta's case was an example of "vicious, retaliatory and vindictive" intimidation. "They want to create an environment where people are terrified to speak up and out and be good citizens," [he said]. More broadly, citizen bystanders are routinely harassed for filming police encounters on their cell phones and told that this is illegal (it's not). I happen to live near a highly-trafficked (and therefore highly policed) area, so I see this happen with my own eyes all the time. Preserving citizens' rights to film public encounters with police is far more important than providing officers with the means to film the encounters themselves. [0] http://www.vibe.com/2016/10/ramsey-orta-eric-garner-four-year-sentence/ http://www.vibe.com/2016/10/ramsey-orta-eric-garner-four-yea... [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ramsey-orta-filmed-eric-garner-death-sentenced-4-years-article-1.2815791 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ramsey-orta-filmed-eric-... [2] http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/ny-man-filmed-eric-garner-death-heading-jail-161001074627241.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/ny-man-fil...
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Semiapies 10y ago
The political power of the NYPD keeps them from having to use cameras and is exactly the problem. Lack of cameras is just a symptom of a problem that has to be fixed first.

Why not both?

vkou 10y ago

Because we have massive police abuse right there in the open, and nothing is done about it. And not for lack of evidence! If the city won't deal with this problem, what makes anyone think that of all things, cameras will remove any roadblocks? Without serious interest in tackling police abuse, cameras are a feel-good placebo. Eric Garner was killed on video. Exactly what has been done about that? Nothing and nothing?

jonlucc 10y ago
Last night, the candidates for Vice President had a minutes-long discussion about community policing and implicit bias. To say that nothing individual incidents had no effect is to miss the forest for the trees.
- vkou 10y ago
  Eric Garner's death certainly had an impact across the country - but one place where it didn't was the NYPD. This is precisely why we can't have both. I have the feeling that body cameras are used as a smoke-and-mirror diversion, by organizations that aren't committed to change.
- e40 10y ago
  That's called pandering. Other than that, nothing has changed.
chimeracoder 10y ago
> Eric Garner was killed on video. Exactly what has been done about that? Nothing and nothing? Not quite true - there was one person who was charged (and convicted). Two days ago, the person who filmed Garner's death was just sentenced to 4 years in prison, for charges which many believe were in retaliation for filming the video[0][1][2]. > Stanley Cohen, a New-York based lawyer and former social worker who in the 1980s held community cohesion sessions with the city's police departments, said that Orta's case was an example of "vicious, retaliatory and vindictive" intimidation. "They want to create an environment where people are terrified to speak up and out and be good citizens," [he said]. More broadly, citizen bystanders are routinely harassed for filming police encounters on their cell phones and told that this is illegal (it's not). I happen to live near a highly-trafficked (and therefore highly policed) area, so I see this happen with my own eyes all the time. Preserving citizens' rights to film public encounters with police is far more important than providing officers with the means to film the encounters themselves. [0] http://www.vibe.com/2016/10/ramsey-orta-eric-garner-four-year-sentence/ http://www.vibe.com/2016/10/ramsey-orta-eric-garner-four-yea... [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ramsey-orta-filmed-eric-garner-death-sentenced-4-years-article-1.2815791 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ramsey-orta-filmed-eric-... [2] http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/ny-man-filmed-eric-garner-death-heading-jail-161001074627241.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/ny-man-fil...
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Semiapies 10y ago

The political power of the NYPD keeps them from having to use cameras and is exactly the problem. Lack of cameras is just a symptom of a problem that has to be fixed first.