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"New Theft of Secrets", as if whistleblowing was a bad thing. "he stole and disclosed highly classified computer codes developed to hack into the networks of f

"New Theft of Secrets", as if whistleblowing was a bad thing. "he stole and disclosed highly classified computer codes developed to hack into the networks of foreign governments" "different in nature from Mr. Snowden’s theft" What's next, NYtimes, calling people "rats" for reporting a homicide?

idlewords 10y ago
Stealing source code from the NSA is not whistleblowing.
- redwards510 10y ago
  Depends on what that source code does. What if it overloads electrical systems placed in orphanages in China where they grow hackers and burns down the building with the kids inside?
  - idlewords 10y ago
    I would love to see the scrum meeting for this one.
    - SEJeff 10y ago
      I would love to see the unit tests!
VelociRapster 10y ago
Are you of the opinion that whistleblowing and espionage are the same thing? It's one thing to call attention to warrantless wiretapping and unconstitutional practices. It's an entirely different thing to take and distribute the source code of a tool used to access foreign government systems. The former is illegal the latter is literally the reason why the NSA was created.
- withholding 10y ago
  The article clearly implies that Snowden's actions were "theft"
  - zeveb 10y ago
    Which they were. Also, espionage. Also, treason. And — also — not whistleblowing, because nothing he has alleged is illegal.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      > nothing he has alleged is illegal. At least one surveillance program revealed by Snowden has been challenged in US courts and found to be illegal, whether any others revealed were illegal remains a disputed point. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/politics/nsa-telephone-metadata-illegal-court/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/politics/nsa-telephone-metadat...
    - tP5n 10y ago
      > nothing ... is illegal A federal court disagreed to that in 2015 [PDF]: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/NSA_ca2_20150507.pdf http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/NSA_ca2_20150507.pdf
NN88 10y ago
>"New Theft of Secrets", as if whistleblowing was a bad thing. Thats not whistleblowing.

idlewords 10y ago

Stealing source code from the NSA is not whistleblowing.

redwards510 10y ago
Depends on what that source code does. What if it overloads electrical systems placed in orphanages in China where they grow hackers and burns down the building with the kids inside?
- idlewords 10y ago
  I would love to see the scrum meeting for this one.
  - SEJeff 10y ago
    I would love to see the unit tests!

VelociRapster 10y ago

Are you of the opinion that whistleblowing and espionage are the same thing? It's one thing to call attention to warrantless wiretapping and unconstitutional practices. It's an entirely different thing to take and distribute the source code of a tool used to access foreign government systems. The former is illegal the latter is literally the reason why the NSA was created.

withholding 10y ago
The article clearly implies that Snowden's actions were "theft"
- zeveb 10y ago
  Which they were. Also, espionage. Also, treason. And — also — not whistleblowing, because nothing he has alleged is illegal.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > nothing he has alleged is illegal. At least one surveillance program revealed by Snowden has been challenged in US courts and found to be illegal, whether any others revealed were illegal remains a disputed point. http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/politics/nsa-telephone-metadata-illegal-court/ http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/politics/nsa-telephone-metadat...
  - tP5n 10y ago
    > nothing ... is illegal A federal court disagreed to that in 2015 [PDF]: http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/NSA_ca2_20150507.pdf http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/NSA_ca2_20150507.pdf

NN88 10y ago

>"New Theft of Secrets", as if whistleblowing was a bad thing. Thats not whistleblowing.