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Also, how do we know they haven't?

piyush_soni 10y ago
We don't know for sure if they are violating their privacy policies. But as I said, if they are doing it, and it comes out by any means, it will be the dead end of their business. So it's in their best interest to not to do that and only improve upon users' trust. So yes, there's certain level of trust I put into them, just like the trust I put into big food product companies that they'd respect the ingredients list, and have a certain level of quality and hygiene. All of them can break my trust, but it will be detrimental for them if it comes out.
- HillaryBriss 10y ago
  > if they are doing it ... it will be the dead end of their business. I wish I could share your confidence about that. It seems to me we've seen corporate data leaks, deceptive practices, huge hack attacks, etc and all that happens is the corporations get a temporary PR black eye -- and then spring back into action as powerfully as before. In the case of Google, if it came out that, say, Russian hackers had breached a bunch of gmail accounts, how many customers would just up and walk away from Google? And what company could even come close to filling the void to replace google for all of us consumers? Like I say, I wanna believe what you believe. But it just doesn't seem like that's what happens in the real marketplace.
  - a_lifters_life 10y ago
    Im with HillaryBriss here. There aren't enough repercussions for leaking pii data.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      UK regulators recently fined TalkTalk £400,000 for a large data breach. https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2016/10/talktalk-gets-record-400-000-fine-for-failing-to-prevent-october-2015-attack/ https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-bl... That's not company ending, but it should get the attention of directors.
      - a_lifters_life 10y ago
        400k is nothing for a lot of companies in USA
  - piyush_soni 10y ago
    There are two things here. One is Google secretively going against their Privacy Policy and selling my data/sharing it with other previously undisclosed parties. The other is a data breach in which Google is attacked by some very skilled hackers. If the former ever happens, I'll delete all my data (whatever they allow) from their servers, and leave them forever. For the latter though, I trust them even more than most other companies to protect my data because of their technical know-how and experience. But a data breach is always a possibility with any online company, and that will be my bad luck - so I'm taking a calculated risk here.

We don't know for sure if they are violating their privacy policies. But as I said, if they are doing it, and it comes out by any means, it will be the dead end of their business. So it's in their best interest to not to do that and only improve upon users' trust. So yes, there's certain level of trust I put into them, just like the trust I put into big food product companies that they'd respect the ingredients list, and have a certain level of quality and hygiene. All of them can break my trust, but it will be detrimental for them if it comes out.

HillaryBriss 10y ago
> if they are doing it ... it will be the dead end of their business. I wish I could share your confidence about that. It seems to me we've seen corporate data leaks, deceptive practices, huge hack attacks, etc and all that happens is the corporations get a temporary PR black eye -- and then spring back into action as powerfully as before. In the case of Google, if it came out that, say, Russian hackers had breached a bunch of gmail accounts, how many customers would just up and walk away from Google? And what company could even come close to filling the void to replace google for all of us consumers? Like I say, I wanna believe what you believe. But it just doesn't seem like that's what happens in the real marketplace.
- a_lifters_life 10y ago
  Im with HillaryBriss here. There aren't enough repercussions for leaking pii data.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    UK regulators recently fined TalkTalk £400,000 for a large data breach. https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2016/10/talktalk-gets-record-400-000-fine-for-failing-to-prevent-october-2015-attack/ https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-bl... That's not company ending, but it should get the attention of directors.
    - a_lifters_life 10y ago
      400k is nothing for a lot of companies in USA
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  There are two things here. One is Google secretively going against their Privacy Policy and selling my data/sharing it with other previously undisclosed parties. The other is a data breach in which Google is attacked by some very skilled hackers. If the former ever happens, I'll delete all my data (whatever they allow) from their servers, and leave them forever. For the latter though, I trust them even more than most other companies to protect my data because of their technical know-how and experience. But a data breach is always a possibility with any online company, and that will be my bad luck - so I'm taking a calculated risk here.