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dxomark has published their iphone 7 review, but the 7 plus camera review is still pending. Still very looks like a very impressive camera. The biggest drawbac

by wscott 10y ago

dxomark has published their iphone 7 review, but the 7 plus camera review is still pending. Still very looks like a very impressive camera. The biggest drawback I see from phone cameras now is shutter lag and just how long it takes to get the camera app ready to take pictures. I hope Google has this nailed now.

nicktelford 10y ago
They mentioned shutter lag in the presentation, saying that they spent a lot of time minimizing it. They didn't give any concrete numbers or a demo though.
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  They said they were able to make it fastest of all the phones they've tested.
  - simscitizen 10y ago
    iOS has always tried to simulate zero shutter lag: the camera continuously captures full-resolution images into a ring buffer, and the app goes back in the frame buffer to find the image that corresponds to when you pressed the shutter.
    - _pmf_ 10y ago
      This sounds like a good way to drain the battery, and it will only work when no flash is required.
      - tarancato 10y ago
        Still better than nothing.
      - pjc50 10y ago
        Presumably it's quite cheap if you have enough RAM and hardware JPEG acceleration; the camera has to capture a string of images to display on the screen anyway.
      - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
        Nothing comes without a cost.
    - dx034 10y ago
      Zero shutter lag is what I love about the iPhone. Compared to my previous Xperia Z5, the pictures on the iPhone are not better (rather worse at bad light conditions), but I never have to wait to take one. The time it can take the Z5 to focus and finally take a picture is annoying.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  I seem to recall them saying the Galaxy Nexus had zero shutter lag as well. Makes one wonder why this isn't the norm now.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 10y ago
  Shutter lag seems to be a common problem with Android phones. Is this a hardware or software issue, or what? I've seen it even on newer phones, like the Nexus 5x.
jandrese 10y ago
Getting the camera app ready is just a swipe at the login screen, you can have the first picture in less than a second with a touch of practice.
- euyyn 10y ago
  Alternatively, double-click the lock button.
  - jooize 10y ago
    Thanks to you I can remove Camera from the iPhone Dock!
dep_b 10y ago
I have been checking that site a few times per week last month to see if they finally got around reviewing the iPhone 7 Plus, but no cigar. It has been out for over a month now and if you like it or not it's still one of the most popular mobile phone cameras in the world and definitely an upgrade compared to the regular iPhone 7 camera. And then you see a slide where Google uses the word iPhone 5 times to tell the world why their iPhone is well worth the iPhone price, lacking a score for the iPhone 7 Plus, and the reason for the delay suddenly becomes clear. Well paid, Google. Well paid. And Dxomark: you only have one reputation...
- mistermann 10y ago
  Wow, they better have paid big for that.
- kyrra 10y ago
  Or they are waiting for iOS 10.1 that includes full portrait mode. https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/21/hands-on-portrait-mode-beta-iphone-7-plus/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/21/hands-on-portrait-mode-beta-i... That was a big selling point during the announcement of the iPhone 7+, so seems worth waiting for that feature to be ready before completing the review.
  - ubercow13 10y ago
    That example shot looks...really bad..
- dogma1138 10y ago
  DoXMark is probably the only website that has a proper methodology for reviewing mobile phone cameras. They are consistent, very indepth, have objective scoring metrics and haven't shown any bias towards any brand or maker. The iPhone 7 plus isn't an easy phone to evaluate because it has dual cameras, reviews of other phones with dual cameras also tended to lag and those were simpler where the 2 cameras were identical and were used to speed up or add additional digital zoom whilst the iPhone 7P uses 2 different cameras. The iPhone 7 review was up 20 days after it was announced, and effectively about 9-10 days after it has became available in Europe. It's pretty laughable that pretty much the only objective source out there and the only one that has bothered to take a scientific approach to evaluating the quality of cameras for mobile phones is accused of bias and being a paid lip service just because their current methodology is not compatible with the iPhone 7 Plus not to mention considering that iOS 10 also lacks support for certain modes for the 7P, and they want to actually give it a proper review, which means put it in cases where both cameras can be measured objectively.

by wscott 10y ago

nicktelford 10y ago

They mentioned shutter lag in the presentation, saying that they spent a lot of time minimizing it. They didn't give any concrete numbers or a demo though.

piyush_soni 10y ago
They said they were able to make it fastest of all the phones they've tested.
- simscitizen 10y ago
  iOS has always tried to simulate zero shutter lag: the camera continuously captures full-resolution images into a ring buffer, and the app goes back in the frame buffer to find the image that corresponds to when you pressed the shutter.
  - _pmf_ 10y ago
    This sounds like a good way to drain the battery, and it will only work when no flash is required.
    - tarancato 10y ago
      Still better than nothing.
    - pjc50 10y ago
      Presumably it's quite cheap if you have enough RAM and hardware JPEG acceleration; the camera has to capture a string of images to display on the screen anyway.
    - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
      Nothing comes without a cost.
  - dx034 10y ago
    Zero shutter lag is what I love about the iPhone. Compared to my previous Xperia Z5, the pictures on the iPhone are not better (rather worse at bad light conditions), but I never have to wait to take one. The time it can take the Z5 to focus and finally take a picture is annoying.
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
I seem to recall them saying the Galaxy Nexus had zero shutter lag as well. Makes one wonder why this isn't the norm now.
eeeeeeeeeeeee 10y ago
Shutter lag seems to be a common problem with Android phones. Is this a hardware or software issue, or what? I've seen it even on newer phones, like the Nexus 5x.

jandrese 10y ago

Getting the camera app ready is just a swipe at the login screen, you can have the first picture in less than a second with a touch of practice.

euyyn 10y ago
Alternatively, double-click the lock button.
- jooize 10y ago
  Thanks to you I can remove Camera from the iPhone Dock!

dep_b 10y ago

I have been checking that site a few times per week last month to see if they finally got around reviewing the iPhone 7 Plus, but no cigar. It has been out for over a month now and if you like it or not it's still one of the most popular mobile phone cameras in the world and definitely an upgrade compared to the regular iPhone 7 camera. And then you see a slide where Google uses the word iPhone 5 times to tell the world why their iPhone is well worth the iPhone price, lacking a score for the iPhone 7 Plus, and the reason for the delay suddenly becomes clear. Well paid, Google. Well paid. And Dxomark: you only have one reputation...

mistermann 10y ago
Wow, they better have paid big for that.
kyrra 10y ago
Or they are waiting for iOS 10.1 that includes full portrait mode. https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/21/hands-on-portrait-mode-beta-iphone-7-plus/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/21/hands-on-portrait-mode-beta-i... That was a big selling point during the announcement of the iPhone 7+, so seems worth waiting for that feature to be ready before completing the review.
- ubercow13 10y ago
  That example shot looks...really bad..
dogma1138 10y ago
DoXMark is probably the only website that has a proper methodology for reviewing mobile phone cameras. They are consistent, very indepth, have objective scoring metrics and haven't shown any bias towards any brand or maker. The iPhone 7 plus isn't an easy phone to evaluate because it has dual cameras, reviews of other phones with dual cameras also tended to lag and those were simpler where the 2 cameras were identical and were used to speed up or add additional digital zoom whilst the iPhone 7P uses 2 different cameras. The iPhone 7 review was up 20 days after it was announced, and effectively about 9-10 days after it has became available in Europe. It's pretty laughable that pretty much the only objective source out there and the only one that has bothered to take a scientific approach to evaluating the quality of cameras for mobile phones is accused of bias and being a paid lip service just because their current methodology is not compatible with the iPhone 7 Plus not to mention considering that iOS 10 also lacks support for certain modes for the 7P, and they want to actually give it a proper review, which means put it in cases where both cameras can be measured objectively.