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> 4 GB of RAM is barely adequate I'm not disagreeing with you but what makes you say this? I've never owned a phone with more than 2GB of RAM and I'm not sure

by Veratyr 10y ago

> 4 GB of RAM is barely adequate I'm not disagreeing with you but what makes you say this? I've never owned a phone with more than 2GB of RAM and I'm not sure what I'm missing out on. > no optical image stabilization I trust a software company like Google with EIS, particularly given their work with HDR+. I owned an iPhone 7 for about a week and loved the stabilisation Google's app did on my Motion Stills. > Google needs to blow Apple away with features rather than aping the latest iphone. The impression I got from the announcement is that that's what they see their assistant being. Personally that doesn't win me over at all but we'll see how it goes. I could see my mother and her friends all wanting the phone that can talk to them (and it looks more impressive than Siri).

technofiend 10y ago
> I've never owned a phone with more than 2GB of RAM and I'm not sure what I'm missing out on. It's Linux under the hood which will always make use of more memory, but our phones are slowly migrating towards service platforms. When my phone is fully kitted out playing Ingress with friends I'm running Slack, Glympse, Zello, team-specific app(s), Ingress and maps. I want the device snappily switching between and/or giving cycles to all those apps as needed without being forced to save state off to my flash storage which is a wasting asset. I would imagine VR apps will be even more hungry with the large and complex objects and interactions modeled and displayed. On EIS yup if that replaces OIS I'm fine with it. The assistant may be really cool but it won't remain a google-exclusive for long and it doesn't justify a (in my mind) $200-$300 premium for the phone. I'll probably pick up the pixel XL when the sales start but as someone who has been an Android acolyte since my developer's edition G1 came in the mail this is not a compelling upgrade for me from the Nexus 6, particularly at this price.
- rtkwe 10y ago
  I would be shocked if RAM and not GPU were the limiting issue in a phone running VR.
- cloudjacker 10y ago
  Its October and you are still playing anything from Niantic?
- dottrap 10y ago
  >> I've never owned a phone with more than 2GB of RAM and I'm not sure what I'm missing out on. > It's Linux under the hood which will always make use of more memory, Linux won't really be the beneficiary of all the extra RAM in this case. The motivation behind the extra RAM is Java. It is well known (i.e. researched) that garbage collection system performance is heavily dependent on free RAM. You typically want around 4x the amount of your peak memory usage to keep the garbage collector speed reasonable. The more free RAM, the better the performance. http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-Shot-2013-05-14-at-10.15.29-PM.png http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-... But having 4x has been a real challenge for mobile and Android over the years, especially as people want to do more and more with the phones. It also didn't help that Dalvik and ART are new ground-up implementations of the Java VM which means a lot of optimizations for garbage collection needed to be reimplemented from scratch. The lack of needing to support a garbage collector is a big reason Apple can get away with shipping far less RAM in their phones which in turn helps keep their profit margins high.
BoorishBears 10y ago
Are your recent 2GB phones iDevices?

by Veratyr 10y ago

technofiend 10y ago

> I've never owned a phone with more than 2GB of RAM and I'm not sure what I'm missing out on. It's Linux under the hood which will always make use of more memory, but our phones are slowly migrating towards service platforms. When my phone is fully kitted out playing Ingress with friends I'm running Slack, Glympse, Zello, team-specific app(s), Ingress and maps. I want the device snappily switching between and/or giving cycles to all those apps as needed without being forced to save state off to my flash storage which is a wasting asset. I would imagine VR apps will be even more hungry with the large and complex objects and interactions modeled and displayed. On EIS yup if that replaces OIS I'm fine with it. The assistant may be really cool but it won't remain a google-exclusive for long and it doesn't justify a (in my mind) $200-$300 premium for the phone. I'll probably pick up the pixel XL when the sales start but as someone who has been an Android acolyte since my developer's edition G1 came in the mail this is not a compelling upgrade for me from the Nexus 6, particularly at this price.

rtkwe 10y ago
I would be shocked if RAM and not GPU were the limiting issue in a phone running VR.
cloudjacker 10y ago
Its October and you are still playing anything from Niantic?
dottrap 10y ago
>> I've never owned a phone with more than 2GB of RAM and I'm not sure what I'm missing out on. > It's Linux under the hood which will always make use of more memory, Linux won't really be the beneficiary of all the extra RAM in this case. The motivation behind the extra RAM is Java. It is well known (i.e. researched) that garbage collection system performance is heavily dependent on free RAM. You typically want around 4x the amount of your peak memory usage to keep the garbage collector speed reasonable. The more free RAM, the better the performance. http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-Shot-2013-05-14-at-10.15.29-PM.png http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-... But having 4x has been a real challenge for mobile and Android over the years, especially as people want to do more and more with the phones. It also didn't help that Dalvik and ART are new ground-up implementations of the Java VM which means a lot of optimizations for garbage collection needed to be reimplemented from scratch. The lack of needing to support a garbage collector is a big reason Apple can get away with shipping far less RAM in their phones which in turn helps keep their profit margins high.

BoorishBears 10y ago

Are your recent 2GB phones iDevices?