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No, we had proof back when Snowden released documents about the search engine that NSA has from data siphoned from providers. I'm not being cynical, I'm being r

by yladiz 10y ago

No, we had proof back when Snowden released documents about the search engine that NSA has from data siphoned from providers. I'm not being cynical, I'm being realistic in that this isn't newsworthy now because it was extremely newsworthy when it first came to light a few years ago. I would rather this be newsworthy because it gets people interested in fighting FISC orders again, not against Yahoo and Mayer.

jwtadvice 10y ago
Except that the song and dance the US Congress put on pretending that the FREEDOM act made domestic surveillance illegal put an end to the Snowden Documents in many people's minds. Continued news about domestic surveillance, police surveillance, Federal controlled 'perception management' news media messaging, etc should continue to happen so that citizens understand that the US has clarified that the bulk of these activities are legal, justified and necessary.
losvedir 10y ago
What Snowden revelation are you talking about? I remember when everyone was up in arms about PRISM, but that's just a pretty interface on more focused requests of data for specific users. This is the first instance, to my knowledge, of the government requesting carte blanche realtime search of all incoming and outgoing email for all users.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  No 2 and No 8 on this cover Yahoo directly: http://mashable.com/2014/06/05/edward-snowden-revelations/ http://mashable.com/2014/06/05/edward-snowden-revelations/ That's them searching for what they want plus seeing everything without notification. There was also a $250,000 a day fine for non-compliance with court orders. That adds up. I can't find the link but they made it grow exponentially over time in another report.
  - tedunangst 10y ago
    #8 is a weird thing to bring up. Yahoo was going to be fined for not letting the NSA secretly tap their cables? They didn't even know the tapping was being done! How could they be non compliant?
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      Yeah, that might not totally fit in the point I was making on compliance side. It does fit into overall picture of answering losvedir in how they'd be collecting and searching everything in real-time. The next order might force a tap on the cables on the inside. Much like the "pen register" Lavabit was going to have to add.

by yladiz 10y ago

jwtadvice 10y ago

Except that the song and dance the US Congress put on pretending that the FREEDOM act made domestic surveillance illegal put an end to the Snowden Documents in many people's minds. Continued news about domestic surveillance, police surveillance, Federal controlled 'perception management' news media messaging, etc should continue to happen so that citizens understand that the US has clarified that the bulk of these activities are legal, justified and necessary.

losvedir 10y ago

What Snowden revelation are you talking about? I remember when everyone was up in arms about PRISM, but that's just a pretty interface on more focused requests of data for specific users. This is the first instance, to my knowledge, of the government requesting carte blanche realtime search of all incoming and outgoing email for all users.

nickpsecurity 10y ago
No 2 and No 8 on this cover Yahoo directly: http://mashable.com/2014/06/05/edward-snowden-revelations/ http://mashable.com/2014/06/05/edward-snowden-revelations/ That's them searching for what they want plus seeing everything without notification. There was also a $250,000 a day fine for non-compliance with court orders. That adds up. I can't find the link but they made it grow exponentially over time in another report.
- tedunangst 10y ago
  #8 is a weird thing to bring up. Yahoo was going to be fined for not letting the NSA secretly tap their cables? They didn't even know the tapping was being done! How could they be non compliant?
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    Yeah, that might not totally fit in the point I was making on compliance side. It does fit into overall picture of answering losvedir in how they'd be collecting and searching everything in real-time. The next order might force a tap on the cables on the inside. Much like the "pen register" Lavabit was going to have to add.