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I wonder if the data dump contains a smoking gun. While I could never vote for either of major party candidates for a variety of reasons, it would be nice if t

I wonder if the data dump contains a smoking gun. While I could never vote for either of major party candidates for a variety of reasons, it would be nice if there were clear evidence of HRC's guilt or innocence in the emailgate matter.

micaksica 10y ago
> HRC's guilt or innocence in the emailgate matter. Guilt or innocence likely doesn't matter; like Sanders said, I'm sick of hearing about the emails. The fact of the matter is that, well, they don't matter. DOJ will not prosecute, and a ton of people voting for Clinton will choose her anyway, even if she did something illegal, because Trump is basically an American Duterte. Nothing short of full-blown, violent-crime-felony-type scandal will derail the Clinton train at this point, and even then it would end up with a lengthy impeachment process vs. destroying her chances in the election.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Trump is basically an American Duterte. Haha that will be funny, when Trump gets 60% more votes than the second-place candidate, and then three months after election has a 90% approval rating. We heard it here first! [EDIT:] I ain't voting for him, but I seem to have touched a nerve... are you guys afraid of something?
  - micaksica 10y ago
    You know as well as I that even though your sarcasm is warranted due to my inaccuracy, I was trying to speak more to Duterte's authoritarian leanings than his performance in the election.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      We have different understandings of the political situation. Sure, on those occasions when Trump isn't simply incoherent he is often engaged in frankly racist fear-mongering. It's reminiscent of someone's use of the term "super-predators". If they can keep his somewhat scarce attention, a Trump election would be great news for manufacturers of forever-stamping boots. If Trump deserves any comparison to Duterte, it's only because he's somewhat frank in his glowing admiration for terrorism as a police tactic. Duterte has always been more than "somewhat frank"; for decades he has spelled out in detail how little value he places on human rights. And although she is generally more circumspect... ditto for Clinton. Somehow people who do care about human rights find enough blank spaces in her that they can color in a candidate for whom they can stomach voting. In reality, she won't even make the halfhearted gestures at pardons for victimless crimes that Obama has made recently. Clinton will be every bit as eager as he is to murder around-the-world around-the-clock with terrordeathdrones. She'll continue her innovations in hiding from FOIA while throwing the citizenry to the dogs of the Surveillance State. She'll be talked into more travesties like Libya. She'll probably rein in those states who have rolled back drug prohibition. Trump will do this crap because he doesn't know any better. Clinton will because the real evil bastards have plenty of proof of all of her "violent-crime-felony-type scandals". Remember kids, don't waste your vote!
neaden 10y ago
I mean, some would say that a large FBI investigation clearing her, hours spent answering questions in front of congress, and every major media organization being unable to find anything criminal would be as clear evidence of her innocence as you could ever hope for? I mean, what are you looking for for proof at this point?
- untog 10y ago
  Yeah, but they're biased
  - grandalf 10y ago
    I take seriously the idea that officials' email conduct should be 100% transparent and available to the public record. Clearly there were efforts made to circumvent the accountability measures that were in place. I don't care whether or not HRC is convicted or anything like that, but I think at present we don't really know, as some of the evidence was not available to the investigation. This kind of basic accountability and transparency is essential to the proper functioning of democracy.
    - pbreit 10y ago
      Probably email should just be immune from FOIA requests (like phone calls) and we could have avoided all this.
      - grandalf 10y ago
        I hope you're joking. Having all of the correspondence and conduct of our elected officials subject to archival (even if classified for several decades) is a crucial aspect of democratic governance.
        pbreit 10y ago
        Not joking. It's not crucial at all. Lots of communication is not preserved (eg, phone calls, face to face).
justinlardinois 10y ago
This dump claims to be from a Clinton Foundation server; it doesn't have anything to do with the email issue. Also, > While I could never vote for either of major party candidates for a variety of reasons Then who are you going to vote for? There's only one other candidate that's on the ballot in every state.
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micaksica 10y ago

> HRC's guilt or innocence in the emailgate matter. Guilt or innocence likely doesn't matter; like Sanders said, I'm sick of hearing about the emails. The fact of the matter is that, well, they don't matter. DOJ will not prosecute, and a ton of people voting for Clinton will choose her anyway, even if she did something illegal, because Trump is basically an American Duterte. Nothing short of full-blown, violent-crime-felony-type scandal will derail the Clinton train at this point, and even then it would end up with a lengthy impeachment process vs. destroying her chances in the election.

jessaustin 10y ago
Trump is basically an American Duterte. Haha that will be funny, when Trump gets 60% more votes than the second-place candidate, and then three months after election has a 90% approval rating. We heard it here first! [EDIT:] I ain't voting for him, but I seem to have touched a nerve... are you guys afraid of something?
- micaksica 10y ago
  You know as well as I that even though your sarcasm is warranted due to my inaccuracy, I was trying to speak more to Duterte's authoritarian leanings than his performance in the election.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    We have different understandings of the political situation. Sure, on those occasions when Trump isn't simply incoherent he is often engaged in frankly racist fear-mongering. It's reminiscent of someone's use of the term "super-predators". If they can keep his somewhat scarce attention, a Trump election would be great news for manufacturers of forever-stamping boots. If Trump deserves any comparison to Duterte, it's only because he's somewhat frank in his glowing admiration for terrorism as a police tactic. Duterte has always been more than "somewhat frank"; for decades he has spelled out in detail how little value he places on human rights. And although she is generally more circumspect... ditto for Clinton. Somehow people who do care about human rights find enough blank spaces in her that they can color in a candidate for whom they can stomach voting. In reality, she won't even make the halfhearted gestures at pardons for victimless crimes that Obama has made recently. Clinton will be every bit as eager as he is to murder around-the-world around-the-clock with terrordeathdrones. She'll continue her innovations in hiding from FOIA while throwing the citizenry to the dogs of the Surveillance State. She'll be talked into more travesties like Libya. She'll probably rein in those states who have rolled back drug prohibition. Trump will do this crap because he doesn't know any better. Clinton will because the real evil bastards have plenty of proof of all of her "violent-crime-felony-type scandals". Remember kids, don't waste your vote!

neaden 10y ago

I mean, some would say that a large FBI investigation clearing her, hours spent answering questions in front of congress, and every major media organization being unable to find anything criminal would be as clear evidence of her innocence as you could ever hope for? I mean, what are you looking for for proof at this point?

untog 10y ago
Yeah, but they're biased
- grandalf 10y ago
  I take seriously the idea that officials' email conduct should be 100% transparent and available to the public record. Clearly there were efforts made to circumvent the accountability measures that were in place. I don't care whether or not HRC is convicted or anything like that, but I think at present we don't really know, as some of the evidence was not available to the investigation. This kind of basic accountability and transparency is essential to the proper functioning of democracy.
  - pbreit 10y ago
    Probably email should just be immune from FOIA requests (like phone calls) and we could have avoided all this.
    - grandalf 10y ago
      I hope you're joking. Having all of the correspondence and conduct of our elected officials subject to archival (even if classified for several decades) is a crucial aspect of democratic governance.
      - pbreit 10y ago
        Not joking. It's not crucial at all. Lots of communication is not preserved (eg, phone calls, face to face).

justinlardinois 10y ago

This dump claims to be from a Clinton Foundation server; it doesn't have anything to do with the email issue. Also, > While I could never vote for either of major party candidates for a variety of reasons Then who are you going to vote for? There's only one other candidate that's on the ballot in every state.

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