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1) "desired" by some. not by all. not by me. i didn't mean to suggest it is a bug. i agree it is a "feature". some people may not be interested in certain "feat

1) "desired" by some. not by all. not by me. i didn't mean to suggest it is a bug. i agree it is a "feature". some people may not be interested in certain "features". and to suggest that there are not many alternate solutions to a centralized synchronization solution with google at the center of it all is to either a) be blind of some of the most important IT developments in the works as well as some very established technologies or b) to simply be putting forth an argument based on the logical fallacy of a false dilemma 2) "my data" is converted to "our data", where "our" is understood to be the user, google, and anyone google "partners" with under the ToS. to the things i value, that is an important distinction. let's consider: nudie photos, dishing ish on friends, personal IP, company IP, etc. no longer mine, now ours. important distinction.

fixermark 10y ago
To (1), I'd be excited to hear some alternatives that can provide equivalent tightly-integrated feature sets.
- throwaway98237 10y ago
  https://arkos.io/ https://arkos.io/ https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ https://syncthing.net/ https://syncthing.net/ https://owncloud.org/ https://owncloud.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Whisper_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Whisper_Systems ...just to name a few off the top of my head. I agree that the excellent integration that Google or Apple products provide is not seen through the entire ecosystem of these other products, but it's being worked on and, to me at least, the progress being made is impressive.
  - fixermark 10y ago
    That's a good suite of software. But until and unless it has a personal assistant riding atop it that can couple world-class speech recognition (not just word recognition, but actual phrase semantics comprehension) with a knowldge graph to get from concept to concept, with the ability to smoothly move between pieces of data stored in those myriad services and systems, it's not really in the same league as what Google is trying to do with Assistant. I'm just not sure how one gets to where Google is on this without, for example, several human-decades worth of actual voice samples from "in the field" to train a multi-stage voice recognizer against, or an entire Internet's worth of search data and signal on how people navigate through and associate that data to build something like a knowledge graph. These may not be systems that can be open-developed into existence without a huge donation of data, money, mindpower, or all three.

fixermark 10y ago

To (1), I'd be excited to hear some alternatives that can provide equivalent tightly-integrated feature sets.

throwaway98237 10y ago
https://arkos.io/ https://arkos.io/ https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ https://www.seafile.com/en/home/ https://syncthing.net/ https://syncthing.net/ https://owncloud.org/ https://owncloud.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Whisper_Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Whisper_Systems ...just to name a few off the top of my head. I agree that the excellent integration that Google or Apple products provide is not seen through the entire ecosystem of these other products, but it's being worked on and, to me at least, the progress being made is impressive.
- fixermark 10y ago
  That's a good suite of software. But until and unless it has a personal assistant riding atop it that can couple world-class speech recognition (not just word recognition, but actual phrase semantics comprehension) with a knowldge graph to get from concept to concept, with the ability to smoothly move between pieces of data stored in those myriad services and systems, it's not really in the same league as what Google is trying to do with Assistant. I'm just not sure how one gets to where Google is on this without, for example, several human-decades worth of actual voice samples from "in the field" to train a multi-stage voice recognizer against, or an entire Internet's worth of search data and signal on how people navigate through and associate that data to build something like a knowledge graph. These may not be systems that can be open-developed into existence without a huge donation of data, money, mindpower, or all three.