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The author was being cheeky, but it definitely dates the piece. People are a lot more sensitive about that sort of thing today than they were 10 years ago. Ba

by smellf 10y ago

The author was being cheeky, but it definitely dates the piece. People are a lot more sensitive about that sort of thing today than they were 10 years ago. Back then it just came off as dark and sort of funny.

scandox 10y ago
I think the last ten years, unfortunately, accentuated the need for reasonable men to actively distinguish themselves from the openly, violently misogynistic people online. So comments and jokes that were never before conceived of as having any serious import, even subliminally, now map so closely onto serious threats and harassment, that they seem completely inappropriate. People in relationships killing each other has always been a subject of humour, exactly because it really happened. In a way that hasn't really changed. What's changed is what is OK in specific mediums: especially in online written form (twitter, comments, blogs) where the context is full of the real hateful deal.
- jszymborski 10y ago
  That's an incredibly enlightened way to reconcile that, while it sounds wrong today, it doesn't nesscesitate that Joel is a misogynist. I've never really understood it as an increasing impetous to distinguish ourselves from the morons that, once the light has been increasingly shown on misogyny, hold firm to it. Thanks for that, it's really help me better grok how to feel about these increasingly more common situations.
  - to3m 10y ago
    The post isn't even by Joel. It's a forum (or more precisely an ex-forum). Random people were allowed to post there... Wait... you do know we're not all Paul Graham... right?
    - jszymborski 10y ago
      Nice try, PG.... You still haven't replied to my emails btw
- wyager 10y ago
  Is there any evidence that "hateful" (by whatever metric) comments have actually increased, as opposed to people just becoming more sensitive? Subjectively it seems like a lot more of the latter.

by smellf 10y ago

scandox 10y ago

I think the last ten years, unfortunately, accentuated the need for reasonable men to actively distinguish themselves from the openly, violently misogynistic people online. So comments and jokes that were never before conceived of as having any serious import, even subliminally, now map so closely onto serious threats and harassment, that they seem completely inappropriate. People in relationships killing each other has always been a subject of humour, exactly because it really happened. In a way that hasn't really changed. What's changed is what is OK in specific mediums: especially in online written form (twitter, comments, blogs) where the context is full of the real hateful deal.

jszymborski 10y ago
That's an incredibly enlightened way to reconcile that, while it sounds wrong today, it doesn't nesscesitate that Joel is a misogynist. I've never really understood it as an increasing impetous to distinguish ourselves from the morons that, once the light has been increasingly shown on misogyny, hold firm to it. Thanks for that, it's really help me better grok how to feel about these increasingly more common situations.
- to3m 10y ago
  The post isn't even by Joel. It's a forum (or more precisely an ex-forum). Random people were allowed to post there... Wait... you do know we're not all Paul Graham... right?
  - jszymborski 10y ago
    Nice try, PG.... You still haven't replied to my emails btw
wyager 10y ago
Is there any evidence that "hateful" (by whatever metric) comments have actually increased, as opposed to people just becoming more sensitive? Subjectively it seems like a lot more of the latter.