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Is this something OWS could be subpoena'd for? Or something that the government would just subpoena Google for? (I mean, given a phone number, can't you identi

Is this something OWS could be subpoena'd for? Or something that the government would just subpoena Google for? (I mean, given a phone number, can't you identify someone's Google Play account anyway? That sounds more useful.)

JoshTriplett 10y ago
> Is this something OWS could be subpoena'd for? Not by subpoena alone, but in theory a court order could order them to modify their software (server or client) to collect data. They could fight that court order, and in particular it seems like they'd have a good case on the grounds that such an order would destroy their entire business, but legally a court could at least attempt to issue such an order.
nickpsecurity 10y ago
I'm more concerned about this NSA/FBI partnership that secretly forces cooperation somehow. It might apply up to and including forcing a backdoor into the binary. Here's the program for US cooperation: http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-documents-expose-secret-contracts-between-nsa-and-tech-companies/5408929?print=1 http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-documents-expose-secret-... The interesting part is in this table from the TS/ECI leaks from Core Secrets: https://theintercept.com/document/2014/10/10/eci-whipgenie-classification-guide/ https://theintercept.com/document/2014/10/10/eci-whipgenie-c... Notice how the lower levels of secrecy talk about how the companies cooperate or are partners. Then, you hit TS/COMINT and TS/ECI to find additional detail: "the fact that FBI provides assistance with compelled and cooperative partnerships associated with WHIPGENIE" "details of FBI assistance with compelled and cooperative partnerships with WHIPGENIE" So, it's a backdooring program with major U.S. companies that the FBI "compels" assistance with for those that don't willingly cooperate. I have no idea what that entails but it works. It might work better on smaller firm with less resources but also maybe less as I think damaging income stream matters to greedy CEO's at public firms more. So, who knows. Personally, I think they're pulling a variation of Escobars silver or lead policy. You take generous bribes to do what they want or you take generous donations of lead. In this case, legal fines or imprisonment rather than actual lead.

JoshTriplett 10y ago

> Is this something OWS could be subpoena'd for? Not by subpoena alone, but in theory a court order could order them to modify their software (server or client) to collect data. They could fight that court order, and in particular it seems like they'd have a good case on the grounds that such an order would destroy their entire business, but legally a court could at least attempt to issue such an order.

nickpsecurity 10y ago

I'm more concerned about this NSA/FBI partnership that secretly forces cooperation somehow. It might apply up to and including forcing a backdoor into the binary. Here's the program for US cooperation: http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-documents-expose-secret-contracts-between-nsa-and-tech-companies/5408929?print=1 http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-documents-expose-secret-... The interesting part is in this table from the TS/ECI leaks from Core Secrets: https://theintercept.com/document/2014/10/10/eci-whipgenie-classification-guide/ https://theintercept.com/document/2014/10/10/eci-whipgenie-c... Notice how the lower levels of secrecy talk about how the companies cooperate or are partners. Then, you hit TS/COMINT and TS/ECI to find additional detail: "the fact that FBI provides assistance with compelled and cooperative partnerships associated with WHIPGENIE" "details of FBI assistance with compelled and cooperative partnerships with WHIPGENIE" So, it's a backdooring program with major U.S. companies that the FBI "compels" assistance with for those that don't willingly cooperate. I have no idea what that entails but it works. It might work better on smaller firm with less resources but also maybe less as I think damaging income stream matters to greedy CEO's at public firms more. So, who knows. Personally, I think they're pulling a variation of Escobars silver or lead policy. You take generous bribes to do what they want or you take generous donations of lead. In this case, legal fines or imprisonment rather than actual lead.