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> I hate how complex the python ecosystem is, there are different versions for language Like for every language out there (Java 6, Java 7, Java 8, etc.) > dif

> I hate how complex the python ecosystem is, there are different versions for language Like for every language out there (Java 6, Java 7, Java 8, etc.) > different packaging systems (this project uses both conda and pip), Yes, I believe that is an issue. But not that big. For instance, you can replace `conda install textblob` by `pip install textblob` for the given project. > sometimes you need to install stuff even with OS package manager or install packages from the source. Like for every scripting language out there. > Something really needs to be done for this mess. It used to be much worse, but it's moving in the right direction (see https://glyph.twistedmatrix.com/2016/08/python-packaging.html https://glyph.twistedmatrix.com/2016/08/python-packaging.htm...), except for the pip/conda divide. Also: the project linked is not properly packaged (it has no setup.py). I guess I you had come across a repository with a bunch of .c files and no Makefile you would be lost too.

CJefferson 10y ago
Java 6,7,8 is entirely different, as almost always the latest Java runs all previous programs, while Python 3 doesnt run python 2 programs at all.
- sixhobbits 10y ago
  I'm guessing you've never tried migrating a mid-sized Java project an older version of Java to a new version? This is definitely not my experience.
  - CJefferson 10y ago
    What's mid-sized? I've worked on a couple of 50,000+ line projects, and never had a problem upgrading to a newer Java. Maybe we were lucky, or more likely didn't push any corners of the JVM in an incompatible way.
  - mikkom 10y ago
    Java at least should be backward compatible. I have had no problem updating to a new java version (and this is with big codebases) I have also never had a problem finding a library version (Assuming java has one) that would work with my java version whereas with Python that is one of the main problems all the time.

CJefferson 10y ago

Java 6,7,8 is entirely different, as almost always the latest Java runs all previous programs, while Python 3 doesnt run python 2 programs at all.

sixhobbits 10y ago
I'm guessing you've never tried migrating a mid-sized Java project an older version of Java to a new version? This is definitely not my experience.
- CJefferson 10y ago
  What's mid-sized? I've worked on a couple of 50,000+ line projects, and never had a problem upgrading to a newer Java. Maybe we were lucky, or more likely didn't push any corners of the JVM in an incompatible way.
- mikkom 10y ago
  Java at least should be backward compatible. I have had no problem updating to a new java version (and this is with big codebases) I have also never had a problem finding a library version (Assuming java has one) that would work with my java version whereas with Python that is one of the main problems all the time.