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Okay, let's just censor news that you don't like. I on the other hand live in a EU country that is the main target for these refugees and I can tell you this st

Okay, let's just censor news that you don't like. I on the other hand live in a EU country that is the main target for these refugees and I can tell you this stuff (in particular rapes) is real and you calling it BS isn't going to change the reality of what is going on here.

petriw 10y ago
Daily Mail isn't news, it's poorly researched clickbait. Rape is horrible and I'm certain immigrants also rape, just as the natives do. But let's not kid ourselves, at least in my home country Sweden the number of sexual offences (including rape) have not increased significantly over time despite decades of scaremongering news about them, including on swedish state tv. I base this on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Victim_surveys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Victim_surveys And in Swedish more recent: https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/valdtakt-och-sexualbrott.html https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/valdtakt-och-sexu... We'll see what the numbers for 2015 and 2016 say, but I somehow doubt they'll show a country in free fall despite 163k asylum seekers in 2015.
- kbart 10y ago
  Statistics is easily tweaked or faked. There are already many cases of police in Germany and Sweden miss-reporting or covering up sexual offences by immigrants. 1. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-03/german-coverup-scandal-ministry-urged-erasing-rape-monstrous-cologne-migrant-attack- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-03/german-coverup-scan... 2. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/ http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that... 3. http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordered-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-migrant-criminal-report/ http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordere...
  - petriw 10y ago
    Statistics can never simply be read from a police database or similar. It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it. This is also why you can't compare many crime statistics between countries, rape being a fairly typical one. The simple truth is that up until now no one actually cared and that is why it went unreported. Heck, the new years eve sexual offences will probably disappear among all the other sexual offences that go on every day that no one apparently cares about. Festival groping is hardly a new phenomenon, maybe the new years eve thing is new but was it a temporary problem or is it a long term issue? No one actually knows yet.
    - jazzyk 10y ago
      >It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it Ah, yes. The data need to be "seasonally adjusted" by high priests of the state, so that we, uneducated peons get the "appropriate" message. Do you even realize how elitist your statement is? Sexual offence data is not rocket science, a lot of people can understand it quite well. In Sweden's case, it would also help if the race/nationality of the attacker was disclosed (which, I heard, is not allowed in Sweden).
      - gambiting 10y ago
        >>Sexual offence data is not rocket science It is though. The definition of sexual offence changes between countries. Simplest example being that in some places public urination is a sexual offence, despite not having anything to do with sex. And because that definition is not consistent between countries, it cannot be reasonably compared. >>n Sweden's case, it would also help if the race/nationality of the attacker was disclosed And why would it be? What for? A rapist is a rapist, regardless of their nationality. You sound like a tinfoil hat aficionado to me, sorry.
        jazzyk 10y ago
        >public urination is a sexual offence You think people are idiots and can't distinguish between urination and groping? >And why would it be? What for? A rapist is a rapist, regardless of their nationality In the context of countries which accepted a lot of immigrants, it is to either confirm or dispel the claims that the attackers are mostly refugees from the Middle East. >You sound like a tinfoil hat aficionado to me, sorry. Please refrain from ad hominem attacks - it is against HN rules. I simply want to learn what has caused the increase of rapes. The fact the the police (and the press) in Sweden were, in many cases, instructed not to report the race/nationality of attackers - to me - constitutes censorship.

petriw 10y ago

Daily Mail isn't news, it's poorly researched clickbait. Rape is horrible and I'm certain immigrants also rape, just as the natives do. But let's not kid ourselves, at least in my home country Sweden the number of sexual offences (including rape) have not increased significantly over time despite decades of scaremongering news about them, including on swedish state tv. I base this on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Victim_surveys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden#Victim_surveys And in Swedish more recent: https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/valdtakt-och-sexualbrott.html https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-och-statistik/valdtakt-och-sexu... We'll see what the numbers for 2015 and 2016 say, but I somehow doubt they'll show a country in free fall despite 163k asylum seekers in 2015.

kbart 10y ago
Statistics is easily tweaked or faked. There are already many cases of police in Germany and Sweden miss-reporting or covering up sexual offences by immigrants. 1. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-03/german-coverup-scandal-ministry-urged-erasing-rape-monstrous-cologne-migrant-attack- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-03/german-coverup-scan... 2. http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that-covers-up-mass-sex-attacks-by-migrant-men-swedens-record-is-shameful/ http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its-not-only-germany-that... 3. http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordered-to-remove-the-word-rape-from-migrant-criminal-report/ http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/german-cops-we-were-ordere...
- petriw 10y ago
  Statistics can never simply be read from a police database or similar. It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it. This is also why you can't compare many crime statistics between countries, rape being a fairly typical one. The simple truth is that up until now no one actually cared and that is why it went unreported. Heck, the new years eve sexual offences will probably disappear among all the other sexual offences that go on every day that no one apparently cares about. Festival groping is hardly a new phenomenon, maybe the new years eve thing is new but was it a temporary problem or is it a long term issue? No one actually knows yet.
  - jazzyk 10y ago
    >It takes serious work by good researchers to compile the data and interpret it Ah, yes. The data need to be "seasonally adjusted" by high priests of the state, so that we, uneducated peons get the "appropriate" message. Do you even realize how elitist your statement is? Sexual offence data is not rocket science, a lot of people can understand it quite well. In Sweden's case, it would also help if the race/nationality of the attacker was disclosed (which, I heard, is not allowed in Sweden).
    - gambiting 10y ago
      >>Sexual offence data is not rocket science It is though. The definition of sexual offence changes between countries. Simplest example being that in some places public urination is a sexual offence, despite not having anything to do with sex. And because that definition is not consistent between countries, it cannot be reasonably compared. >>n Sweden's case, it would also help if the race/nationality of the attacker was disclosed And why would it be? What for? A rapist is a rapist, regardless of their nationality. You sound like a tinfoil hat aficionado to me, sorry.
      - jazzyk 10y ago
        >public urination is a sexual offence You think people are idiots and can't distinguish between urination and groping? >And why would it be? What for? A rapist is a rapist, regardless of their nationality In the context of countries which accepted a lot of immigrants, it is to either confirm or dispel the claims that the attackers are mostly refugees from the Middle East. >You sound like a tinfoil hat aficionado to me, sorry. Please refrain from ad hominem attacks - it is against HN rules. I simply want to learn what has caused the increase of rapes. The fact the the police (and the press) in Sweden were, in many cases, instructed not to report the race/nationality of attackers - to me - constitutes censorship.