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And I am a Swede and would consider taking your comment with a huge grain of salt.

staticelf 10y ago
Of course, as long as the media report world views that confirm your political opinion it's probably the best media outlet in the country. Am I right?
- croon 10y ago
  I'm not sure what this argument is. It's equally likely that you dislike it because it doesn't conform to your views, regardless who's "right".
  - staticelf 10y ago
    It is an argument that shows I care about the truth, not political opinion when reading about the world.
    - piva00 10y ago
      The "truth" in this case might just be based on your bias also, don't you agree? The parent comment could just as equally care about the truth in his own bias, who is the one who can judge what is objectively the truth or not?
krona 10y ago
I have relatives in Sweden and I find the disparity between what is reported by external (non-Swedish) media about events happening in Sweden and what the Swedish mainstream media itself reports is deeply disturbing.
- petriw 10y ago
  I have relatives living in the USA and the news they see from Sweden seems to make them think Sweden is descending into chaos. Their imagination had run quite wild.
  - Yetanfou 10y ago
    Parts of Sweden are descending into chaos, some parts (Rosengård in Malmö. Biskopsgården in Göteborg, Järva in Stockholm, etc - these are the 'no-go zones') already have. The news you get to see in the US and elsewhere often comes from these areas. Elsewhere in Sweden things are more like they used to be, although the problem with 'utanförskapsområder' (areas where a parallel society takes shape, areas which are no longer part of Swedish society) is growing. This is caused in large part by the fact that migrants are allowed to choose where they want to live. They often choose to live with others from their home countries and/or cultures, which leads to areas becoming dominated by non-Swedish and for the largest part non-western culture, which in turn leads to the remaining native Swedes moving out either voluntarily or being harassed until they leave. It is these areas which can turn into no-go zones where gangs rule the streets, where police can not operate without being harassed or literally attacked, where both ambulances and fire trucks get bombarded with stones by 'angry youths'. In other words, these areas end up in a spiral of violence and destruction, leading to an exodus of people - native Swedes as well as well-integrated migrants - who are fed up with the violence. The ones who remain are either those who cause the problems or those who can not afford to move for whatever reason.
    - petriw 10y ago
      My grandma actually lives in Biskopsgården, I go there often. Would I let my children go to school in Sjumilaskolan? Not if I could avoid it. But I also don't worry that my grandma will be harassed by the youths or the niqab ladies. Because she hasn't been. The failure in these areas is obviously a huge problem and the state has fallen short in dealing with the issues. Hopefully the court system will take the hint and start helping the police but that's for the future to tell... But I also remember the same kind of areas from 20-30 years ago. Where the social services put the drug addicts and alcoholics, where several cars would randomly get trashed because someone had a party, where the local nazi gang would show up to beat up an immigrant because of some rumor etc. These areas are not a new problem. I guess the big difference is they've gone from knives to guns. These are the areas where the most vulnerable in society live and everyone who can leave.
- DominikR 10y ago
  What do your relatives in Sweden say about this?
  - krona 10y ago
    The Media's complete silence on important issues is slowly undermining democracy in Sweden.

Of course, as long as the media report world views that confirm your political opinion it's probably the best media outlet in the country. Am I right?

croon 10y ago
I'm not sure what this argument is. It's equally likely that you dislike it because it doesn't conform to your views, regardless who's "right".
- staticelf 10y ago
  It is an argument that shows I care about the truth, not political opinion when reading about the world.
  - piva00 10y ago
    The "truth" in this case might just be based on your bias also, don't you agree? The parent comment could just as equally care about the truth in his own bias, who is the one who can judge what is objectively the truth or not?

krona 10y ago

I have relatives in Sweden and I find the disparity between what is reported by external (non-Swedish) media about events happening in Sweden and what the Swedish mainstream media itself reports is deeply disturbing.

petriw 10y ago
I have relatives living in the USA and the news they see from Sweden seems to make them think Sweden is descending into chaos. Their imagination had run quite wild.
- Yetanfou 10y ago
  Parts of Sweden are descending into chaos, some parts (Rosengård in Malmö. Biskopsgården in Göteborg, Järva in Stockholm, etc - these are the 'no-go zones') already have. The news you get to see in the US and elsewhere often comes from these areas. Elsewhere in Sweden things are more like they used to be, although the problem with 'utanförskapsområder' (areas where a parallel society takes shape, areas which are no longer part of Swedish society) is growing. This is caused in large part by the fact that migrants are allowed to choose where they want to live. They often choose to live with others from their home countries and/or cultures, which leads to areas becoming dominated by non-Swedish and for the largest part non-western culture, which in turn leads to the remaining native Swedes moving out either voluntarily or being harassed until they leave. It is these areas which can turn into no-go zones where gangs rule the streets, where police can not operate without being harassed or literally attacked, where both ambulances and fire trucks get bombarded with stones by 'angry youths'. In other words, these areas end up in a spiral of violence and destruction, leading to an exodus of people - native Swedes as well as well-integrated migrants - who are fed up with the violence. The ones who remain are either those who cause the problems or those who can not afford to move for whatever reason.
  - petriw 10y ago
    My grandma actually lives in Biskopsgården, I go there often. Would I let my children go to school in Sjumilaskolan? Not if I could avoid it. But I also don't worry that my grandma will be harassed by the youths or the niqab ladies. Because she hasn't been. The failure in these areas is obviously a huge problem and the state has fallen short in dealing with the issues. Hopefully the court system will take the hint and start helping the police but that's for the future to tell... But I also remember the same kind of areas from 20-30 years ago. Where the social services put the drug addicts and alcoholics, where several cars would randomly get trashed because someone had a party, where the local nazi gang would show up to beat up an immigrant because of some rumor etc. These areas are not a new problem. I guess the big difference is they've gone from knives to guns. These are the areas where the most vulnerable in society live and everyone who can leave.
DominikR 10y ago
What do your relatives in Sweden say about this?
- krona 10y ago
  The Media's complete silence on important issues is slowly undermining democracy in Sweden.