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> That's why there's no shame or embarrassment from the officers. Is there shame and embarrassment when they do it to white people? Or do they just not do it t

> That's why there's no shame or embarrassment from the officers. Is there shame and embarrassment when they do it to white people? Or do they just not do it to white people?

minikites 10y ago
They just don't do it to white people: http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war-on-drugs-racist-minorities http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war-on-drugs-racist-mino... >White and black people report using drugs at similar rates, according to the latest data from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. >A 2009 report from Human Rights Watch found black people are much more likely to be arrested for drugs. In 2007, black people were 3.6 times more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people. >Human Rights Watch found more than four in five arrests in the war on drugs are for mere possession, while the rest are for sales. That suggests police are targeting drug users, not traffickers. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23 http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23 >For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. >Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband.
- activ3e 10y ago
  Aren't the poor side of cities mainly black ? If that's the case then that's just a consequence but it kinda makes sens. If police patrols more in those sides of the cities, the probability for someone black to be arrested then goes higher. The real problem would be that the poor side of the city is mainly black and that it is trapped in a vicious circle where they have less education and are then more likely to turn to crime and not succeed in life.
  - loup-vaillant 10y ago
    Still, being less likely to be found with contraband and such heavily suggests blacks/poors are being frisked more often than nescessary --at the very least, there's some unjustified bias.
- hueving 10y ago
  >They just don't do it to white people: That statement directly contradicts your evidence: >black people were 3.6 times more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people. Please don't exaggerate, particularly when it comes to politically heated topics like this. Otherwise rational people disengage because it's clear you have some kind of axe to grind and the only people that push back are other axe grinders. Also, as the other poster pointed out, it's not clear if any of this data has been correctly normalized for income level. This same lazy tactic is used by racists to associate crime with black people, so it's very counterproductive to perpetuate stats that don't adjust for income.
  - minikites 10y ago
    How does that directly contradict my statement? Also, you left out the very important context, which is that while they are 3.6x as likely to be arrested, black people use drugs at the same rate as white people, so what justifies the 3.6x increase? And, how does income affect stop-and-frisk or drug possession arrests? Do cops have some sort of x-ray vision where they can see a suspect's W-2?
    - viraptor 10y ago
      You wrote that they just don't do it. In reality they do. Just less often.
      - lumberingjack 10y ago
        I know a white guy whom just got a felony for two pills in his car, a majorly stupid thing you can't do these days. It was all over Fox national news like he was some sort of gang/drug lord. In reality he was just working a full time 9/5 at amazon box and hustling a little on the side to pay the bills. Now he lost his job and is sitting around on welfare because no one will hire a felon.
    - jazzyb 10y ago
      > how does income affect stop-and-frisk or drug possession arrests? It's typically poor communities that these tactics are done in. I think the tactics are reprehensible, and race probably does have something to do with it, but I've also seen cops roll up into rural trailer parks to start shit, too. What gets lost in a lot of the media narrative is how poor folk in general get taken advantage of by the authorities.
jshevek 10y ago
They do it to white people, and they do it without shame, just as they do to black people.

> That's why there's no shame or embarrassment from the officers. Is there shame and embarrassment when they do it to white people? Or do they just not do it to white people?

minikites 10y ago

They just don't do it to white people: http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war-on-drugs-racist-minorities http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war-on-drugs-racist-mino... >White and black people report using drugs at similar rates, according to the latest data from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. >A 2009 report from Human Rights Watch found black people are much more likely to be arrested for drugs. In 2007, black people were 3.6 times more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people. >Human Rights Watch found more than four in five arrests in the war on drugs are for mere possession, while the rest are for sales. That suggests police are targeting drug users, not traffickers. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23 http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23 >For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. >Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband.

activ3e 10y ago
Aren't the poor side of cities mainly black ? If that's the case then that's just a consequence but it kinda makes sens. If police patrols more in those sides of the cities, the probability for someone black to be arrested then goes higher. The real problem would be that the poor side of the city is mainly black and that it is trapped in a vicious circle where they have less education and are then more likely to turn to crime and not succeed in life.
- loup-vaillant 10y ago
  Still, being less likely to be found with contraband and such heavily suggests blacks/poors are being frisked more often than nescessary --at the very least, there's some unjustified bias.
hueving 10y ago
>They just don't do it to white people: That statement directly contradicts your evidence: >black people were 3.6 times more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people. Please don't exaggerate, particularly when it comes to politically heated topics like this. Otherwise rational people disengage because it's clear you have some kind of axe to grind and the only people that push back are other axe grinders. Also, as the other poster pointed out, it's not clear if any of this data has been correctly normalized for income level. This same lazy tactic is used by racists to associate crime with black people, so it's very counterproductive to perpetuate stats that don't adjust for income.
- minikites 10y ago
  How does that directly contradict my statement? Also, you left out the very important context, which is that while they are 3.6x as likely to be arrested, black people use drugs at the same rate as white people, so what justifies the 3.6x increase? And, how does income affect stop-and-frisk or drug possession arrests? Do cops have some sort of x-ray vision where they can see a suspect's W-2?
  - viraptor 10y ago
    You wrote that they just don't do it. In reality they do. Just less often.
    - lumberingjack 10y ago
      I know a white guy whom just got a felony for two pills in his car, a majorly stupid thing you can't do these days. It was all over Fox national news like he was some sort of gang/drug lord. In reality he was just working a full time 9/5 at amazon box and hustling a little on the side to pay the bills. Now he lost his job and is sitting around on welfare because no one will hire a felon.
  - jazzyb 10y ago
    > how does income affect stop-and-frisk or drug possession arrests? It's typically poor communities that these tactics are done in. I think the tactics are reprehensible, and race probably does have something to do with it, but I've also seen cops roll up into rural trailer parks to start shit, too. What gets lost in a lot of the media narrative is how poor folk in general get taken advantage of by the authorities.

jshevek 10y ago

They do it to white people, and they do it without shame, just as they do to black people.