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House Season Finale Filmed Entirely with Canon 5D Mark II

156 points by Flemlord 17y ago

michael_nielsen 17y ago
On a related note, a few years back the movie "Cold Mountain" was edited entirely using Apple Final Cut Pro: http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/murch/ http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/murch/ The editor, Walter Murch, received an Academy Award nomination for his work.
wmf 17y ago
Interesting. The 5D is smaller and cheaper than RED, but not that much. I wonder if it was just an experiment for its own sake or if there was some deciding factor in favor of the 5D.
- pkulak 17y ago
  The millions that Canon likely paid them probably had something to do with it.
  - arfrank 17y ago
    It could also be due to an increased experience handling the Canon product line, lenses and bodies.
  - blhack 17y ago
    Or, possibly, like they said in the article, they're doing it because the 5D is more mobile.
  - mtw 17y ago
    apart from rolling shutter issue, the image quality you get with a canon 5d mkii is much better than you get with camera they use for TV shows
- blhack 17y ago
  >The 5D is smaller and cheaper than RED, but not that much. The RED approaches $20,000-$30,000 all in, no? Compare this to <$3000 for the 5D. You can use any normal canon/zeiss/sigma lenses on either system. The Canon is something that "regular" people have; several of my friends have them. You can walk into a fry's and buy one. This is not true of the red. They're in entirely different leagues.
  - bprater 17y ago
    Correct. A fully rigged RED will put you in the $50k range. The RED is 100% designed as a filmmaker's tool, it is as solid as a rock. You can't even properly plug a microphone into the 5K-M2. But at the end of the day, they are both similar tools that create amazing imagery. Ford or Chevy for you?
arfrank 17y ago
The 5DM2 has been getting a lot of attention recently being used as a HD video camera. Canon even sponsored a short being made entirely with the 5D after the most recent firmware update: http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/04/07/the-last-3-minutes-canon-5d-24p-firmware-shines/ http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/04/07/the-last-3-minutes... It was also used in a recent Nissan commercial attached to a mini helicopter: http://www.blogmeright.com/?p=1059 http://www.blogmeright.com/?p=1059
blhack 17y ago
See if you can spot any jellocam a la this: http://vimeo.com/10796434 http://vimeo.com/10796434 /disgruntled D90 user
- ascuttlefish 17y ago
  The D90 is easily the worst of the VDSLRs... for video. It's still one of the best mid-range DSLRs out there, if not the best. I have one too; the video is completely broken. While I have no direct experience with the 5D Mark II, rumour has it that the rolling shutter problems are considerably less noticeable.
  - blhack 17y ago
    A very close friend of mine has the 5D and she uses it to shoot video. The 5D is absolutely fantastic as a motion camera. If I didn't already have a stock of nikon lenses, I absolutely would have gotten the 5D.
- adnam 17y ago
  If you're confused like I was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter
maxklein 17y ago
I don't get it. When I look at that Camera on Amazon it looks like a camera for photographs, not for video. Why would they shoot a movie with this?
- callmeed 17y ago
  (a) it shoots 1080p on a really good chip and (b) you can put pro canon lenses on it
- MikeCapone 17y ago
  Publicity for Canon? Create online buzz? Because it's a technical challenge? Less expensive? To get a different looks from other shows? Take your pick.
- swilliams 17y ago
  It shoots at 1080 with a great sensor, and can mount some very nice lenses for a relatively low price. Plus the 5DmkII is no slouch in the low-light/high-iso arena. Vincent Laforet has been at the forefront of this since the 5DmkII came out. See this: http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326 http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&#3... It has some warts since it is a still camera shooting video, but is still capable turning out some truly stunning results.
  - maxklein 17y ago
    You seem to know your stuff. So if I get a Nikon D90, what quality of video am I looking at?
    - blhack 17y ago
      This: http://www.youtube.com/blhack#p/a/u/0/aWfbEfa5Jpk http://www.youtube.com/blhack#p/a/u/0/aWfbEfa5Jpk I have a D90. It is not usable as a motion picture camera at all. You need to evaluate if you're buying a motion camera, or a still camera. The D90 is a fantastic still camera...but if you're just getting into photo and don't have an investment in lenses...get the 5D.
callmeed 17y ago
I own the 5DmII. The HD video really is amazing–especially with fast lenses (my favorites are the 35/1.4 and 135/2). The main problem is that it's hard to handle and focus the camera hand-held. You really need a good rig and focus ring to get it right. And some of those from Redrock or Zacuto can cost almost as much as the camera body. Here's a couple videos I shot with the 5DmII (again, handheld and I'm a terrible videographer) http://vimeo.com/10768127 http://vimeo.com/10768127 http://vimeo.com/5253857 http://vimeo.com/5253857
- Flemlord 17y ago
  If you have an auto-focusing lens, will it continually focus while you are recording video? That's the one thing that's held me back from upgrading. I badly want to combine my DSLR with my camcorder--I hate having to decide which one I'm going to carry with me.
  - anigbrowl 17y ago
    If you're just getting feet wet, the (~$1000) Canon T2i will do that. but most of the time you wouldn't want to. Autofocus is horrible on video, even on the best gear I have used (like a varicam). YMMV may vary of course if you are trying to shoot sports or certain documentary stuff. I think you would do far better to get some good used manual lenses and acquaint yourself with focusing manually.
  - mtw 17y ago
    if you want an auto-focusing setup, get the panasonic gh1 with the specially designed lens 14-140mm. But people get the canon 5d or the 7d because of the film look. The sensor is bigger so you get shallower depth of field, and also you get wider selection of lenses
- mtw 17y ago
  I've seen great videos taken without a follow-focus or a rig, for instance http://vimeo.com/5000009 http://vimeo.com/5000009 you need to shorten the strap and hold the camera at arm's length (so you get 4 points of contact, instead of the usual 2).
rapind 17y ago
Is this why it's taken so long for a new episode? Or is that just my AppleTV...
bprater 17y ago
For those of you not familiar with what is going on in the DSLR world, everything shifted when the 5D Mark II came out. We are talking earthquake-like fault lines. It gave every indy film-maker an insta-hard-on. It was just another standard hand-held photographer's camera until some gent got a pre-release version and showed the world its capacity to capture film-like imagery -- beautiful blacks, shallow depth-of-field, that 24-frames-a-second look, etc. Even with high-end prosumer cameras, you couldn't quite nail the cinema-look without resorting to actual film. But this toy camera came out of nowhere and was capturing images several times better than anyone could have expected! So each time we see a news story like this, it is validation of the technology and that in a very short time, all of us will have the ability to capture the types of motion images that normally cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. And as is often the case with technology leveling the playing field, the winners will be the folks that are daring and creative!
- mey 17y ago
  And after all the hype about the RED One breaking that market wide open. (at 6x the price for a body as a Canon 5D Mark II body)
  - bprater 17y ago
    Right. RED One was designed from the ground-up to be the ultimate digital cinema camera. The 5D-M2? A few software engineers likely spent a week or two tweaking out the video capture that tied into whatever chip the hardware guys had slapped into the machine. RED will need to adjust if it wants to capture part of the hungry indy crowd.
- sp332 17y ago
  President Obama is the first to have his "official portrait" taken with a digital (not film) camera. They used the 5D mk II. http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/14/president-obamas-official-portrait-the-first-ever-taken-with-a/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/14/president-obamas-official...
- Keyframe 17y ago
  > all of us will have the ability to capture the types of motion images that normally cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. well, not really. You see, camera was never the expensive part. Not even Arri. For example good Cooke S4 lenses cost as much as a fine new Audi. Hell, even Fischer stand costs like a car, and having a good stand+lens is more important than camera itself. Not to mention good lighting, without which shot looks like crap. You can rent RED+S4 kit for about ~600€ per day though - add light, electricity etc.. and it is more cheaper than ever. But this "we can all do it a la panavision, without panavision" is BS IMO. Not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to put some things into perspective. I do like the trend of cheap good cameras (like RED - which is borderline great), but camera is only one tiny part of the picture.
beagle3 17y ago
And the 5D becomes _much_ more useful for film making with the much improved, open source Magic Lantern firmware patch from Trammell Hudson http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wi...
- timthorn 17y ago
  Didn't he lead the Autopilot GPL autonomous helicopter project ~8 years ago? A true hacker.
  - nmcfarl 17y ago
    Yep - same guy. I was wondering what he'd got himself up to.
- mtw 17y ago
  the latest firmware from canon also gave the same movie-oriented features (24p, manual AGC, picture settings etc.)
jasongullickson 17y ago
Doesn't look like he's talking about it at the moment, but Stu over at ProLost (author of the great indie film manual "The DV Rebel's Guide") covers the DSLR-for-filmmaking subject a lot and has lots of good technical (and technique) info if you're into that sort of thing: http://prolost.com/ http://prolost.com/
10ren 17y ago
The last 3 minutes, a demo of what the camera can do: http://www.petapixel.com/2010/04/09/the-last-3-minutes-showcases-new-canon-5d-mark-ii-24p-capabilities/ http://www.petapixel.com/2010/04/09/the-last-3-minutes-showc...
Titanous 17y ago
The sensor on the 5D is huge. Here's a graphic with most of the current video camera sensor sizes: http://rebelsguide.com/dl/sensorSizes_06_cheatSheet.png http://rebelsguide.com/dl/sensorSizes_06_cheatSheet.png A bigger sensor means that it can operate well at very low light levels. Also note that at $2500 this is by far the cheapest option for shooting feature quality films. There are some issues with audio, so you will have to record it using an external recorder, but with a nice mount, this is an amazing camera.
aspirant 17y ago
I know nothing about Canon's product release cycles. Is now a good time to invest in this puppy? Or will the 5D Mark III or some such thing be out soon?
- neilc 17y ago
  The 5D Mark II came out at the end of 2008. The Mark III is widely rumored, but hasn't been officially announced; most people are guessing it will arrive toward the end of 2010 or early 2011. canonrumors.com has lots of this kind of speculation...
Dylanfm 17y ago
If you're interested in this sort of thing, definitely check out DSLR News Shooter: http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com The blog covers video journalists using DSLRs for their stories and the articles generally come with some great advice. A couple of examples: - http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/22/johnnie-behiri-shoots-national-geographic-earth-explore-desert-adventure-on-7d/ http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/22/johnnie-behiri-sho... - http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/25/into-the-haiti-earthquake-zone-khalid-mohtaseb-covers-the-aftermath-on-5dmkii/ http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/25/into-the-haiti-ear... I bought a 7D a few months back. It's fantastic, although I haven't made use of the video much yet.
swah 17y ago
Does it take pictures?
julianz 17y ago
Plot Written Entirely On iPad. In Starbucks. Does Anyone Actually Watch This Stupid Show Any More, Didn't It Jump The Shark A Couple Of Series Ago?
- blueben 17y ago
  Did you read the article? They quote the show's stats. 81 million viewers. Most widely watched show on the globe right now.
blasdel 17y ago
> In 2008, House was distributed in a total of 66 countries. With an audience of over 81.8 million worldwide... There’s only like 6bn people on the globe, right? And that’s including feral wolf children and fuel-starved hermits living on sun tea in the Chinese desert. And yet, if aliens did some random sampling of people around Earth, they’d find that more than one in every hundred of us watches House. “The Earthlings’ religion is based on weekly silent observances of medicine-man figure called ‘Dwelling-Place’ in the local tongue. Possessing supernatural powers of observation and an ability to perform healing miracles, this god also suffers from hubris and vanity, and he is susceptible to the temptations of certain potions. Essentially, we are grading Earth’s religious development somewhere between animist and monotheistic. Not yet adequately prepared for Operation Helping Hand. Revisit in 1,000 local solar units.” http://modcult.org/read/2010/4/13/this-is-called-sending-the-lede-to-sleep-with-the-fishes http://modcult.org/read/2010/4/13/this-is-called-sending-the...

156 points by Flemlord 17y ago

On a related note, a few years back the movie "Cold Mountain" was edited entirely using Apple Final Cut Pro: http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/murch/ http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/murch/ The editor, Walter Murch, received an Academy Award nomination for his work.

wmf 17y ago

Interesting. The 5D is smaller and cheaper than RED, but not that much. I wonder if it was just an experiment for its own sake or if there was some deciding factor in favor of the 5D.

pkulak 17y ago
The millions that Canon likely paid them probably had something to do with it.
- arfrank 17y ago
  It could also be due to an increased experience handling the Canon product line, lenses and bodies.
- blhack 17y ago
  Or, possibly, like they said in the article, they're doing it because the 5D is more mobile.
- mtw 17y ago
  apart from rolling shutter issue, the image quality you get with a canon 5d mkii is much better than you get with camera they use for TV shows
blhack 17y ago
>The 5D is smaller and cheaper than RED, but not that much. The RED approaches $20,000-$30,000 all in, no? Compare this to <$3000 for the 5D. You can use any normal canon/zeiss/sigma lenses on either system. The Canon is something that "regular" people have; several of my friends have them. You can walk into a fry's and buy one. This is not true of the red. They're in entirely different leagues.
- bprater 17y ago
  Correct. A fully rigged RED will put you in the $50k range. The RED is 100% designed as a filmmaker's tool, it is as solid as a rock. You can't even properly plug a microphone into the 5K-M2. But at the end of the day, they are both similar tools that create amazing imagery. Ford or Chevy for you?

arfrank 17y ago

The 5DM2 has been getting a lot of attention recently being used as a HD video camera. Canon even sponsored a short being made entirely with the 5D after the most recent firmware update: http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/04/07/the-last-3-minutes-canon-5d-24p-firmware-shines/ http://hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2010/04/07/the-last-3-minutes... It was also used in a recent Nissan commercial attached to a mini helicopter: http://www.blogmeright.com/?p=1059 http://www.blogmeright.com/?p=1059

blhack 17y ago

See if you can spot any jellocam a la this: http://vimeo.com/10796434 http://vimeo.com/10796434 /disgruntled D90 user

ascuttlefish 17y ago
The D90 is easily the worst of the VDSLRs... for video. It's still one of the best mid-range DSLRs out there, if not the best. I have one too; the video is completely broken. While I have no direct experience with the 5D Mark II, rumour has it that the rolling shutter problems are considerably less noticeable.
- blhack 17y ago
  A very close friend of mine has the 5D and she uses it to shoot video. The 5D is absolutely fantastic as a motion camera. If I didn't already have a stock of nikon lenses, I absolutely would have gotten the 5D.
adnam 17y ago
If you're confused like I was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

maxklein 17y ago

I don't get it. When I look at that Camera on Amazon it looks like a camera for photographs, not for video. Why would they shoot a movie with this?

callmeed 17y ago
(a) it shoots 1080p on a really good chip and (b) you can put pro canon lenses on it
MikeCapone 17y ago
Publicity for Canon? Create online buzz? Because it's a technical challenge? Less expensive? To get a different looks from other shows? Take your pick.
swilliams 17y ago
It shoots at 1080 with a great sensor, and can mount some very nice lenses for a relatively low price. Plus the 5DmkII is no slouch in the low-light/high-iso arena. Vincent Laforet has been at the forefront of this since the 5DmkII came out. See this: http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326 http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&#3... It has some warts since it is a still camera shooting video, but is still capable turning out some truly stunning results.
- maxklein 17y ago
  You seem to know your stuff. So if I get a Nikon D90, what quality of video am I looking at?
  - blhack 17y ago
    This: http://www.youtube.com/blhack#p/a/u/0/aWfbEfa5Jpk http://www.youtube.com/blhack#p/a/u/0/aWfbEfa5Jpk I have a D90. It is not usable as a motion picture camera at all. You need to evaluate if you're buying a motion camera, or a still camera. The D90 is a fantastic still camera...but if you're just getting into photo and don't have an investment in lenses...get the 5D.

callmeed 17y ago

I own the 5DmII. The HD video really is amazing–especially with fast lenses (my favorites are the 35/1.4 and 135/2). The main problem is that it's hard to handle and focus the camera hand-held. You really need a good rig and focus ring to get it right. And some of those from Redrock or Zacuto can cost almost as much as the camera body. Here's a couple videos I shot with the 5DmII (again, handheld and I'm a terrible videographer) http://vimeo.com/10768127 http://vimeo.com/10768127 http://vimeo.com/5253857 http://vimeo.com/5253857

Flemlord 17y ago
If you have an auto-focusing lens, will it continually focus while you are recording video? That's the one thing that's held me back from upgrading. I badly want to combine my DSLR with my camcorder--I hate having to decide which one I'm going to carry with me.
- anigbrowl 17y ago
  If you're just getting feet wet, the (~$1000) Canon T2i will do that. but most of the time you wouldn't want to. Autofocus is horrible on video, even on the best gear I have used (like a varicam). YMMV may vary of course if you are trying to shoot sports or certain documentary stuff. I think you would do far better to get some good used manual lenses and acquaint yourself with focusing manually.
- mtw 17y ago
  if you want an auto-focusing setup, get the panasonic gh1 with the specially designed lens 14-140mm. But people get the canon 5d or the 7d because of the film look. The sensor is bigger so you get shallower depth of field, and also you get wider selection of lenses
mtw 17y ago
I've seen great videos taken without a follow-focus or a rig, for instance http://vimeo.com/5000009 http://vimeo.com/5000009 you need to shorten the strap and hold the camera at arm's length (so you get 4 points of contact, instead of the usual 2).

rapind 17y ago

Is this why it's taken so long for a new episode? Or is that just my AppleTV...

bprater 17y ago

For those of you not familiar with what is going on in the DSLR world, everything shifted when the 5D Mark II came out. We are talking earthquake-like fault lines. It gave every indy film-maker an insta-hard-on. It was just another standard hand-held photographer's camera until some gent got a pre-release version and showed the world its capacity to capture film-like imagery -- beautiful blacks, shallow depth-of-field, that 24-frames-a-second look, etc. Even with high-end prosumer cameras, you couldn't quite nail the cinema-look without resorting to actual film. But this toy camera came out of nowhere and was capturing images several times better than anyone could have expected! So each time we see a news story like this, it is validation of the technology and that in a very short time, all of us will have the ability to capture the types of motion images that normally cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. And as is often the case with technology leveling the playing field, the winners will be the folks that are daring and creative!

mey 17y ago
And after all the hype about the RED One breaking that market wide open. (at 6x the price for a body as a Canon 5D Mark II body)
- bprater 17y ago
  Right. RED One was designed from the ground-up to be the ultimate digital cinema camera. The 5D-M2? A few software engineers likely spent a week or two tweaking out the video capture that tied into whatever chip the hardware guys had slapped into the machine. RED will need to adjust if it wants to capture part of the hungry indy crowd.
sp332 17y ago
President Obama is the first to have his "official portrait" taken with a digital (not film) camera. They used the 5D mk II. http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/14/president-obamas-official-portrait-the-first-ever-taken-with-a/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/14/president-obamas-official...
Keyframe 17y ago
> all of us will have the ability to capture the types of motion images that normally cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. well, not really. You see, camera was never the expensive part. Not even Arri. For example good Cooke S4 lenses cost as much as a fine new Audi. Hell, even Fischer stand costs like a car, and having a good stand+lens is more important than camera itself. Not to mention good lighting, without which shot looks like crap. You can rent RED+S4 kit for about ~600€ per day though - add light, electricity etc.. and it is more cheaper than ever. But this "we can all do it a la panavision, without panavision" is BS IMO. Not trying to be rude or anything, just trying to put some things into perspective. I do like the trend of cheap good cameras (like RED - which is borderline great), but camera is only one tiny part of the picture.

beagle3 17y ago

And the 5D becomes _much_ more useful for film making with the much improved, open source Magic Lantern firmware patch from Trammell Hudson http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wiki http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Lantern_Firmware_Wi...

timthorn 17y ago
Didn't he lead the Autopilot GPL autonomous helicopter project ~8 years ago? A true hacker.
- nmcfarl 17y ago
  Yep - same guy. I was wondering what he'd got himself up to.
mtw 17y ago
the latest firmware from canon also gave the same movie-oriented features (24p, manual AGC, picture settings etc.)

jasongullickson 17y ago

Doesn't look like he's talking about it at the moment, but Stu over at ProLost (author of the great indie film manual "The DV Rebel's Guide") covers the DSLR-for-filmmaking subject a lot and has lots of good technical (and technique) info if you're into that sort of thing: http://prolost.com/ http://prolost.com/

10ren 17y ago

The last 3 minutes, a demo of what the camera can do: http://www.petapixel.com/2010/04/09/the-last-3-minutes-showcases-new-canon-5d-mark-ii-24p-capabilities/ http://www.petapixel.com/2010/04/09/the-last-3-minutes-showc...

Titanous 17y ago

The sensor on the 5D is huge. Here's a graphic with most of the current video camera sensor sizes: http://rebelsguide.com/dl/sensorSizes_06_cheatSheet.png http://rebelsguide.com/dl/sensorSizes_06_cheatSheet.png A bigger sensor means that it can operate well at very low light levels. Also note that at $2500 this is by far the cheapest option for shooting feature quality films. There are some issues with audio, so you will have to record it using an external recorder, but with a nice mount, this is an amazing camera.

aspirant 17y ago

I know nothing about Canon's product release cycles. Is now a good time to invest in this puppy? Or will the 5D Mark III or some such thing be out soon?

neilc 17y ago
The 5D Mark II came out at the end of 2008. The Mark III is widely rumored, but hasn't been officially announced; most people are guessing it will arrive toward the end of 2010 or early 2011. canonrumors.com has lots of this kind of speculation...

Dylanfm 17y ago

If you're interested in this sort of thing, definitely check out DSLR News Shooter: http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com The blog covers video journalists using DSLRs for their stories and the articles generally come with some great advice. A couple of examples: - http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/22/johnnie-behiri-shoots-national-geographic-earth-explore-desert-adventure-on-7d/ http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/22/johnnie-behiri-sho... - http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/25/into-the-haiti-earthquake-zone-khalid-mohtaseb-covers-the-aftermath-on-5dmkii/ http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2010/03/25/into-the-haiti-ear... I bought a 7D a few months back. It's fantastic, although I haven't made use of the video much yet.

swah 17y ago

Does it take pictures?

julianz 17y ago

Plot Written Entirely On iPad. In Starbucks. Does Anyone Actually Watch This Stupid Show Any More, Didn't It Jump The Shark A Couple Of Series Ago?

blueben 17y ago
Did you read the article? They quote the show's stats. 81 million viewers. Most widely watched show on the globe right now.

blasdel 17y ago

> In 2008, House was distributed in a total of 66 countries. With an audience of over 81.8 million worldwide... There’s only like 6bn people on the globe, right? And that’s including feral wolf children and fuel-starved hermits living on sun tea in the Chinese desert. And yet, if aliens did some random sampling of people around Earth, they’d find that more than one in every hundred of us watches House. “The Earthlings’ religion is based on weekly silent observances of medicine-man figure called ‘Dwelling-Place’ in the local tongue. Possessing supernatural powers of observation and an ability to perform healing miracles, this god also suffers from hubris and vanity, and he is susceptible to the temptations of certain potions. Essentially, we are grading Earth’s religious development somewhere between animist and monotheistic. Not yet adequately prepared for Operation Helping Hand. Revisit in 1,000 local solar units.” http://modcult.org/read/2010/4/13/this-is-called-sending-the-lede-to-sleep-with-the-fishes http://modcult.org/read/2010/4/13/this-is-called-sending-the...