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(basic income, etc.), it's like Communist propaganda once again I don't think you really understand what Communism/Socialism is. Under these systems you have n

(basic income, etc.), it's like Communist propaganda once again I don't think you really understand what Communism/Socialism is. Under these systems you have no right to private property. They are post-capitalistic. In Communism money doesn't exist. Communist Countries have been Socialist (example: U.S.S.R. United Soviet Socialist Republic). Socialism is the transfer from Capitalism TO Communism. Basic Income is just classical liberalism. Helping people survive who are under privileged within a capitalistic economy while leaving the existing capitalistic economy and power structures largely intact. Calling basic income communism is just GOP propaganda, not even libertarian propaganda. :.:.: Communists see Basic Income as a bourgeoisie hand out necessary to preserve existing class structures of a post scarcity capitalist society. By pacifying the proletariat and ensuring that in the event the bourgeoisie no longer require proletariat labor, they will still be able to exploit them for profit. But if there is no scarcity or labor, why must there be profit?

AdrianB1 10y ago
I lived under communism for 17 years as I was born in such a country. I think you have a wrong idea about what communism was, I hope you will eventually try to find out and wake up.
- valarauca1 10y ago
  I'm sorry you had to live thought the post Khrushchev era Soviet reforms. I'm also sorry that national propaganda taught you your nation was communist, and you haven't questioned this well into your adulthood. Have you seriously ever read Marx as an adult? Not under a teachers supervision? He disagrees with >75% of everything Stalin, and everyone who came after him did. A strong argument can even be made that Leninism is a fundamental diversion from Marxism. But (assuming you are European) non-Leninist communist literature was banned.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > He disagrees with >75% of everything Stalin, and everyone who came after him did. The divergence actually goes back further than Stalin to Lenin and his rather extensive deviations from classical Marxism to come up with a new program that could plausibly be deployed in a society that was itself pre-capitalist without developing mature capitalism on the road to the socialism that Marx saw as the necessary stage between capitalism and the end-state goal of utopian communism. Outside of the utopian ultimate end-state that both strove for in principle, this required complete revision of every part of the Marxist program starting with the preconditions and working through the whole rest of the policy path.
    - valarauca1 10y ago
      This comic roughly summarizes Lenin's approach to Marxism nicely http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zg4XgbxYd3k/Ul2WhkOQUiI/AAAAAAAAAIo/Fd5KT3VuS5A/s1600/001.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zg4XgbxYd3k/Ul2WhkOQUiI/AAAAAAAAAI...
atemerev 10y ago
I was born and went to school in the USSR. It was taught exactly this way: first, we'll have socialism, which has an immense economic advantage over capitalist system; then, we'll use this advantage to drastically increase productivity and move to post-scarcity; then, everyone will get to their need, as robots will do most of the work.: We heard it all before, down to every word.

AdrianB1 10y ago

I lived under communism for 17 years as I was born in such a country. I think you have a wrong idea about what communism was, I hope you will eventually try to find out and wake up.

valarauca1 10y ago
I'm sorry you had to live thought the post Khrushchev era Soviet reforms. I'm also sorry that national propaganda taught you your nation was communist, and you haven't questioned this well into your adulthood. Have you seriously ever read Marx as an adult? Not under a teachers supervision? He disagrees with >75% of everything Stalin, and everyone who came after him did. A strong argument can even be made that Leninism is a fundamental diversion from Marxism. But (assuming you are European) non-Leninist communist literature was banned.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > He disagrees with >75% of everything Stalin, and everyone who came after him did. The divergence actually goes back further than Stalin to Lenin and his rather extensive deviations from classical Marxism to come up with a new program that could plausibly be deployed in a society that was itself pre-capitalist without developing mature capitalism on the road to the socialism that Marx saw as the necessary stage between capitalism and the end-state goal of utopian communism. Outside of the utopian ultimate end-state that both strove for in principle, this required complete revision of every part of the Marxist program starting with the preconditions and working through the whole rest of the policy path.
  - valarauca1 10y ago
    This comic roughly summarizes Lenin's approach to Marxism nicely http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zg4XgbxYd3k/Ul2WhkOQUiI/AAAAAAAAAIo/Fd5KT3VuS5A/s1600/001.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zg4XgbxYd3k/Ul2WhkOQUiI/AAAAAAAAAI...

atemerev 10y ago

I was born and went to school in the USSR. It was taught exactly this way: first, we'll have socialism, which has an immense economic advantage over capitalist system; then, we'll use this advantage to drastically increase productivity and move to post-scarcity; then, everyone will get to their need, as robots will do most of the work.: We heard it all before, down to every word.